I see no reason to suggest that the public would be more likely to belive negative stories. There are plenty of opposite cases. And it's true that China can't fab bleeding edge chips at least so far. That's why on this forum are mainly high hopes and predictions .
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Nobody says how Germany or Japan can't fab bleeding edge chips though... Or even any commercial FinFET whatsoever. Just China. Wonder why. Surely it isn't due to double standards and incessant negative bias.
And YMTC's 128 layer NAND is indeed leading edge. And surprise surprise, nobody talks about how Infineon or something is super backwards compared to YMTC, they just stay silent.
Chinese consumer GPU announced, but not a lot of details on the manufacturing or on release date yet.
Still, looks like they're trying to position themselves as an alternative to Nvidia and AMD. That'll be pretty cool, if Zhaoxin's CPU gets traction in mainstream consumer computers we could have all-chinese computers soon!
Performance... well... at least for the Zhaoxin CPUs currently out, not great. I also recall another workstation GPU that was going to be comparable to the 1080 at best, andI don't expect this Xindong GPU to be cutting edge either.
However, given that there's still a massive GPU shortage where even 1050 Ti's are going for $500, there's a lot of market for the mainstream and budget-priced cards.
One thing from the article: It says its for "gaming PCs" and it does seem like the software set ("supporting mainstream graphics frameworks such as OpenGL/O pen GLES/OpenCL/Vulkan/DX", from the news release) will work with gaming PC's, but it still looks like Xindong is still aiming this card at servers and data centers, for cloud gaming.
The only reason why the public is taking notice is because US is putting massive pressure on Chinese IC industry in an attempt to strangle China's technological progress. US isn't strangling Europe or Japan - they were already strangled before. Also, I'm sure you heard the Chinese joke: "there are only two countries in the world, China and foreign country."
Would this represent a delay because I heard rumours rag huawei’s next phone in 2022 will have 5G and I thought 28nm was this year while 14 was in 2022. Unless I’m mistaken, seems like a 1 year delay. Or are that referring to mass production vs verification.
I remember hearing domestic SMIC/SMEE 14nm by 2021, or did I remember wrongly?
2023 is a lifetime. Intel and TSMC would be on 4nm by then. It would suggest there hasn't really been a catch up, just running behind at the same distance
He's talking about Huawei's own production lines - Huawei is trying to become an integrated developer with their own fabs.
A version of the Kirin970 had been fabbed by SMIC if I'm not mistaken. The 970 was a 14nm Kirin chip.
It has to be seen if Intel and TSMC can field 4nm by 2023 because if I'm not mistaken there was news that TSMC had problems with their 3nm procedure. Now Apple has to use 5nm again and I don't believe Intel will have 4nm in 2023.
Intel had problems going sub 10nm for years. Then Intel decided to just rebrand their procedures because having 14nm+++++++..... was seen as a joke by the gaming community just as their rebranding of their fabbing procedures.
@BlackWindMnt bro Apple will used TSMC 4nm (a marketing gimmick) an enhance 5nm next year then in late 2023 3nm IF a big IF they solved the technical glitch. I know TSMC are professional, they will solve the problem BUT with the recent events regarding the US diktat will they be motivated? the same question with Samsung? Intel with nothing to lose and everything to gain will surely be happy they been given a helping hand from the US gov't.
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