You just said "China's had for decades and still don't work for encouraging endogenous technology development " and I just made a few easy examples to prove you wrong. I never said China had world leading fabs because I don't exaggerate and make up hyoerboles just to troll or get attention. China does have aircraft engines. Did you make "a tad glib" in your response again just like in the other thread and "should have been more thoughtful." (Your exact words).
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Chinese semiconductor industry
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I think you have followed the thread long enough to see the progress in Chinese semiconductor development. As for aircraft engines, they are right here:Exclusionary/preferential procurement has been a *long* standing policy in China.
Where's are the chips and the globally leading wafer fab companies or even aircraft engines?
Also, one interesting thing I observed on the Chinese side of internet is that the Chinese public is far less optimistic at the state of Chinese semiconductor development than this thread is. Quality information is hard to come by, and media coverage of semi development rarely occurs.
The public is more likely to believe "China can't fab bleeding edge chips" than industry insiders who have a clear understanding of the road map and current efforts.Also, one interesting thing I observed on the Chinese side of internet is that the Chinese public is far less optimistic at the state of Chinese semiconductor development than this thread is. Quality information is hard to come by, and media coverage of semi development rarely occurs.
Its probably also because there hasn't been anything concrete coming out of China's effort yet. Normal people will hardly care about process nodes etc. They will care if Huawei can create their chips again or if Huawei's can design a fully domestic version of its own M1 pro/max chips, given that it's mostly Huawei that is subjected to those strict sanctions/embargoes.Also, one interesting thing I observed on the Chinese side of internet is that the Chinese public is far less optimistic at the state of Chinese semiconductor development than this thread is. Quality information is hard to come by, and media coverage of semi development rarely occurs.
As far as I know other western known Chinese big tech companies are all save from the entity list, except Xiaomi they got a warning shot last year, Xiaomi will probably need to buy QUALCOMM and US components for a couple of more years.
That would be awesome but i am putting my money in that they are going to have the at least their first EUV machine ready by 2025.@tokenanalyst bro a dual approach? with an EUVL LPP within 2023?
Lol, did SleepyStudent get banned again? He is so obsessed with this forum - the loudest China haters are really just fans in disguise, they cannot stop thinking about China.
And that point about aircraft engines is extremely funny - I mean, you are on SDF, there is even a thread on that topic: J-10 uses upgraded WS-10 engines, the latest J-20s use WS-10C too.
And that point about aircraft engines is extremely funny - I mean, you are on SDF, there is even a thread on that topic: J-10 uses upgraded WS-10 engines, the latest J-20s use WS-10C too.
They will only believe when you show the real product in front of them.The public is more likely to believe "China can't fab bleeding edge chips" than industry insiders who have a clear understanding of the road map and current efforts.
In my view the Chinese public is correct. How often do you hear rumors or random things posted on message boards that never materialize into anything. It is easy to make anonymous claims or promises, but tough to show results. People will believe when they can go to the store and buy a device with Chinese designed chips on Chinese IP that was fabbed in a Chinese foundry using Chinese SME and is sold to them via a Chinese company and they can download Chinese software to run on the Chinese OS that is installed on the device.
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