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Weaasel

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DarkStar said:
All TSMC and Samsung have to do is install a secret poison pill into those factories- something that'll go unnoticed but annoying like 1 in every factory releases something like stuxnet into every other connecting fab if TSMC and samsung ar eno longer the ones controlling those factories.

Yes, this fits the MO of american behaviour.
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Dark Angel here, Son of Dorn...

That can really be done?
 
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badoc

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DarkStar said:
Nothing's impossible given will enough, Emperor Willing.
Stuxnet was built using an entirely never before seen machine language which is why nothing the Iranians did could help stop stuxnet.
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"never before seen machine language"??

I thought there is only different machine languages as in x86, arm, or sparc binary codes, and the Iranian machines are using a never used before special processor.

Or did you mean the Iranians were unable to deduce what programming language was used to compile the machine language used to program Stuxnet by examining how the program uses the stack, its registers, or it does not contain recognizable procedures and special backdoor hardwares are utilized.
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badoc said:
"never before seen machine language"??

I thought there is only different machine languages as in x86, arm, or sparc binary codes, and the Iranian machines are using a never used before special processor.

Or did you mean the Iranians were unable to deduce what programming language was used to compile the machine language used to program Stuxnet by examining how the program uses the stack, its registers, or it does not contain recognizable procedures and special backdoor hardwares are utilized.
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You can't run different machine language like arm on say a x86 unless you build in a translation layer like apple Rosetta 2 for their M1 arm chips to run x86 application. As far as I know it is hard to determine a native language after a codebase has been compiled. Most modern day compilers have like a 3 stage process.

1) Frontend compiler(programming language) ---> 2) intermediate language ---> 3) Backend compiler(machine language)

What might be possible and has already been proven that there are a ton of hidden machine instructions which the NSA and US spy alphabet groups might know about.

 
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VIA's Centaur division in the US designed the CPU cores used in the Zhaoxin x86 compatible processors made in China. Now Intel is buying their engineering division. Typical Intel anti-competitive move.
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Aren't the Chinese big tech companies all working on their own ARM based server cpu, Huawei with Kunpeng and Alibaba with Yitian and Tencent has a set of ARM based custom accelerators in the pipeline. I think x86 will be death in the future to poisones for international big tech that are non NATO aligned and uses to much electricity. On the scale of those cloud data centers having more lower energy ARM chips in the future might decrease computing and cooling costs.
 
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BlackWindMnt said:
Aren't the Chinese big tech companies all working on their own ARM based server cpu, Huawei with Kunpeng and Alibaba with Yitian and Tencent has a set of ARM based custom accelerators in the pipeline. I think x86 will be death in the future to poisones for international big tech that are non NATO aligned and uses to much electricity. On the scale of those cloud data centers having more lower energy ARM chips in the future might decrease computing and cooling costs.
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@BlackWindMnt bro is x86 obsolete compare to ARM and RISC-V? the reason why Intel wanted it to offer as an OPEN SOURCE?

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23 Mar 2021 — As part of IFS, Intel will both offer raw manufacturing services, similar to a standard foundry like TSMC and Samsung, as well as its portfolio ...
 
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"never before seen machine language"??

I thought there is only different machine languages as in x86, arm, or sparc binary codes, and the Iranian machines are using a never used before special processor.

Or did you mean the Iranians were unable to deduce what programming language was used to compile the machine language used to program Stuxnet by examining how the program uses the stack, its registers, or it does not contain recognizable procedures and special backdoor hardwares are utilized.
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Thanks for the clarification.
So what you meant to say is Stuxnet is using undocumented machine opcodes as in Microsoft had a lot of "undocumented dos" on the software side.
I used a lot of x86 assembly language decades ago, so I understand.
Maybe not a ton of hidden machine codes, but a few is enough to make the ICE go haywire.

Thanks for the Youtube link.
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