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ansy1968

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I believe Huawei and its Shanghai based technical partner got one unit as well.
Huawei is on a urgent mission to produce ICs for its 5G Telecom gear.
@WTAN Sir I know they had team up with ICRD, but can they able to commercialized ASAP with ICRD facilities in Shanghai? or they had to wait for the completion of their FAB? Sir after searching the net you're correct about Huawei receiving a unit of SMEE 28NM DUVL from the two articles below from last year it stated that they will be producing 28nm chips in 2021.

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Huawei, which has no experience fabricating chips, will start by producing low-end 45 nm processors, chipsets that industry leaders were making 15 years ago, The Financial Times reported. The telecom company’s goal is to be making 28 nm chips, which can be used in smart TVs and other internet of things (IoT) products, by the end of 2021.

Additionally, the Chinese firm plans to be producing 20 nm chips for its 5G telecoms equipment by late 2022. However, the planned facility would not be able to supply chips for Huawei’s smartphones, as more advanced node processes are needed for these.
 

ansy1968

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SMIC strategic decision on 28nm and above and with focus on local customers had bear fruits, with domestic equipment for 14nm and 7nm coming online next year and in 2023 the future looks good. Competition is good and sometimes TOUGH LOVE is needed to push you to improve yourself.


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I wish to share with you a conversation with my good friend @Oldschool

Hi ansy 1968,
I feel right now China is on right track, especially with the giant Huawei being sanctioned by US so hard, and it has no choice but to fully support domestic semiconductor industry. 10 to 15 yrs ago when I was still in the industry, Huawei was very arrogant toward domestic tech and in general it look down upon them. Huawei believed in western supply chain. Right now, it being attacked by US and forced to turn the corner.
My take on it is too late for it rescue its kirin based high end cellphone.
It buying Qualcomm 4g chipsets and selling 4g phones. It doesn't have 5g phones anymore as it depends on US 5g front end RF chips. It doesn't have those.

US relaxing and allow Huawei to buy auto chips. But Huawei says"No thanks"
It is not going to use any US auto chips.


Huawei turned to other business. As it signed huge contract with Dubai on energy storage. Huawei has inverter and energy technology. But try not make a big deal on the net because if US government awared then they might try to sabotage.

But listing China semiconductor advancement will dent those antiChina fraction confidence.



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Here is the important information that @Oldschool post want to highlight.


Today, the media broke the news that the United States has issued licenses to suppliers, authorizing them to sell to Huawei chips used in auto parts such as video screens and sensors.


So here comes the problem. Huawei is a technology company with underlying technological innovations and poses a major threat to the US's technological hegemony. Prior to this, the United States also restricted Huawei's global development in many ways. Why did it release restrictions on Huawei's automotive chips this time?


Young Master Chun believes that this more or less illustrates a problem, that is, in the past two years or so, the domestic chip industry chain has achieved tremendous development.

This is how Huawei responded to the US’s lifting of restrictions on Huawei’s automotive chips. Huawei said, “We are positioning ourselves as a supplier of new parts and components for smart and connected cars. Our goal is to help automotive OEMs make better products. Car."


Huawei's response is already obvious, that is, Huawei is not involved in vehicle manufacturing, but is only a supplier of new parts for automobiles, helping traditional car companies to make cars.


Since Huawei does not make complete vehicles, it is meaningless that the United States is stuck with Huawei's car chips. In order for Huawei to expand the automotive electronics market, in addition to its own internal research, external investment has also become a way for them.


According to Tianyan Check, Hubble Investment has invested in seven companies so far, mainly doing some work related to automotive chips. In other words, Huawei is now determined to promote the development of the domestic chip industry with a number of domestic technology companies, regardless of whether you restrict or liberalize the United States.
 
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ansy1968

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As the saying goes " one door closes another one opens" by restricting Huawei they were push to look for other alternative. Car chips with nodes from 45nm to 28nm are within China core capacity to produce with Huawei trying its hand on Chip Foundry. It will be a good first step to learn the intricacy of chip production. So as @WTAN had posted Huawei is here to stay and will be the vanguard of China IC development.
 

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Come on, man, 28 km?

But if this is the prevailing attitude among the Indian industrial, political, and bureaucratic elite, then they are not going to make any worthwhile progress for a decade to come and probably even more...

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It's paywalled but I cannot say he is wrong from an economic & pragmatic POV. India lacks specialist manpower, market, supply chains & investments to develop a sizeable semiconductor industry even with foreign technology and fabs set up by the likes of TSMC. Such white elephant semiconductor projects are good to stroke ego of Jai Hind nationalists but will be ultimately a waste of money unless they somehow force the transfer of technology (very doubtful).

China has a large internal market and developed electronics industry that is going to fill up its fabs, the same is true for the US which has a lot of fabless developers (NVIDIA, AMD, Qualcomm, etc.). Europe has the same problem of not having enough demand as India but they are far more advanced in tech, specialists and can crank up investments if they need to. Since now practically every large country or block is moving towards having at least some self-sufficiency in the semiconductor industry even the likes of Taiwan (not TSMC, the latter can set up fabs in other countries and still make money) will be slowly squeezed out, let alone the potential fledgling Indian industry.
 

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@WTAN Sir I know they had team up with ICRD, but can they able to commercialized ASAP with ICRD facilities in Shanghai? or they had to wait for the completion of their FAB? Sir after searching the net you're correct about Huawei receiving a unit of SMEE 28NM DUVL from the two articles below from last year it stated that they will be producing 28nm chips in 2021.

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Huawei, which has no experience fabricating chips, will start by producing low-end 45 nm processors, chipsets that industry leaders were making 15 years ago, The Financial Times reported. The telecom company’s goal is to be making 28 nm chips, which can be used in smart TVs and other internet of things (IoT) products, by the end of 2021.

Additionally, the Chinese firm plans to be producing 20 nm chips for its 5G telecoms equipment by late 2022. However, the planned facility would not be able to supply chips for Huawei’s smartphones, as more advanced node processes are needed for these.
I believe Huawei will wait patiently for the completion of their new FAB in Shanghai before producing the 22nm and 28nm Chips.
The FAB will be owned by Huawei and uses a completely Domestic Production Line and ICRD will operate the Plant.
ICRD is basically a Semiconductor Research Institute established by a certain Shanghai based Foundry.
ICRD has also been doing R&D on EUVL Equipment for many years and will be very helpful when Huawei eventually decides to produce ICs using EUVL.
When the ICs are produced, Huawei's 5G Telecom Equipment Business will be 100% self sufficient and sanction-proof. Huawei can then confidently promote its 5G equipment to customers worldwide without the current supply chain uncertainty.

Sometime in late 2022, when Huawei's Domestic
12-14nm Chip Production Line is ready, Kirin 5G SOCs for Huawei Mobiles will make a comeback.
 

WTAN

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@WTAN Sir how about the 5g front end RF chips? Is there a local source producing such chip?
With the 5G RF Chips the big issue is the patents which are mainly held by US Companies and also as Huawei is under sanction it is hard to get local RF Chip companies to supply Huawei.

I believe that a solution is coming soon and with the Domestic 28nm Production Line now established, these RF Chips will be able to be produced securely by local companies and be supplied to Huawei.
 
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