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vincent

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Huawei can just do what Apple does and get an ARM ISA license and design their own ARM compatible processor core.
I doubt that would have any US content to get banned.
The main problem with ARM is that NVIDIA is going to acquire it and more BS will happen for sure.

I think RISC-V would be an interesting choice but the problem with that is binary compatibility with existing applications. Intel tried for years to compete against ARM in the smartphone sector and even paid Lenovo to use their chips but because running Android applications on x86 required binary dynamic translation from ARM it just wasn't competitive. Of course if Huawei forces application developers to recompile their applications to Harmony OS on that architecture that would solve that problem but porting software a lot of times isn't just as easy as that. As Intel discovered also.

You have no clue of what you are talking about. Android apps are written in Java and are run on top of JVM, processor agnostic. Intel failed in the phone business because its processors takes up too much power.
 

gelgoog

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You have no clue of what you are talking about. Android apps are written in Java and are run on top of JVM, processor agnostic. Intel failed in the phone business because its processors takes up too much power.

Not all of them. Some video player applications for example even use assembly language. If you think all Android apps are written in 100% Java you are dead wrong here. Plus Android does not use the Java Virtual Machine, they use their own. It used to be Dalvik and I think now it is ART.
 

vincent

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Not all of them. Some video player applications for example even use assembly language. If you think all Android apps are written in 100% Java you are dead wrong here. Plus Android does not use the Java Virtual Machine, they use their own. It used to be Dalvik and I think now it is ART.

Oh please. How many programmers had ever written in assembly language? Give me a rough number or percentage of android apps that contained assembly language. Given the variety of processors used in Android phones, I’m pretty sure only a tiny tiny percentage use assembly in them
 

gelgoog

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Oh please. How many programmers had ever written in assembly language? Give me a rough number or percentage of android apps that contained assembly language. Given the variety of processors used in Android phones, I’m pretty sure only a tiny tiny percentage use assembly in them

Like I said, video players are one example, e.g. MX Player. VLC is written in C. Do you think they ported it to Java to run on Android?
Many game applications aren't written in Java either. Anything which requires high performance basically.
Java is basically used for lightweight applications with low processing requirements.
 

vincent

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Like I said, video players are one example, e.g. MX Player. VLC is written in C. Do you think they ported it to Java to run on Android?
Many game applications aren't written in Java either. Anything which requires high performance basically.
Java is basically used for lightweight applications with low processing requirements.
Dude, c is not assembly. I wrote c/c++ codes in my first job. Porting a c program for another processor is not that difficult.

most games nowadays use ready-made engines such as Unity. Just need to make sure the popular engines are ported to the new processor and most games will run
 
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SMIC announced yesterday that it had finished tests and tape-out of its self-developed FinFET N+1 chip. All the intellectual properties involved are created by the Chinese. SMIC shares jump 12% today.
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SMIC announced yesterday that it had finished tests and tape-out of its self-developed FinFET N+1 chip. All the intellectual properties involved are created by the Chinese. SMIC shares jump 12% today.
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This is good news. Looks like SMIC has prepared well in advance in anticipation of US Sanctions.

SMIC appears to have stockpiled enough parts and supplies to keep its FABS operating. This will allow them to continue producing 14nm Chips and also to enter into production of FINFET N+1 Chips.

Now that SMIC is under sanction, it will just go ahead to supply Chips to Huawei for both its Smartphones and 5G Base Stations.
 

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This is good news. Looks like SMIC has prepared well in advance in anticipation of US Sanctions.

SMIC appears to have stockpiled enough parts and supplies to keep its FABS operating. This will allow them to continue producing 14nm Chips and also to enter into production of FINFET N+1 Chips.

Now that SMIC is under sanction, it will just go ahead to supply Chips to Huawei for both its Smartphones and 5G Base Stations.
Hi WTAN,

This is good news. Looks like SMIC has prepared well in advance in anticipation of US Sanctions.

Do you think that their American supplier had inform SMIC about the incoming sanction for them to prepare?
 

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ZTE, however, is not yet able to manufacture its own chips. Rather, its 7-nm chips are produced by the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company and it uses Taiwan’s ASE Group’s 25D/interposer technology for assembly and testing.

The Shenzhen-based firm used to depend heavily on US chips and components until it was slapped with a seven-year ban by the US government in 2018 for violating US trade sanctions on Iran, preventing US firms from selling it their hardware and software.

As a result, the telecoms giant has been investing heavily in developing its own technologies. The fact that ZTE can now make its own chips, the most crucial component in many electronic devices, will raise concern, especially in the current context of deglobalization.

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ZTE, however, is not yet able to manufacture its own chips. Rather, its 7-nm chips are produced by the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company and it uses Taiwan’s ASE Group’s 25D/interposer technology for assembly and testing.

The Shenzhen-based firm used to depend heavily on US chips and components until it was slapped with a seven-year ban by the US government in 2018 for violating US trade sanctions on Iran, preventing US firms from selling it their hardware and software.

As a result, the telecoms giant has been investing heavily in developing its own technologies. The fact that ZTE can now make its own chips, the most crucial component in many electronic devices, will raise concern, especially in the current context of deglobalization.

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Hi machupicu,

Hisilicon, Unisoc and now ZTE, at least we had 3 top notch chip designer. The only problem is FAB production ,If SMIC and HUAWEI are able to produce en mass the 14nm and 7nm chips. China can and will impose an import substitute program and ban all imported chips, this will force TSMC and Samsung to invest more in China and further spur Chinese FAB development.
 
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