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WTAN

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@WTAN , @foofy, and all others with privileged, insider information. I suggest to you and anybody else with privileged information to consider if any specific insider information holds the potential to negatively affect the policy decision making of the US government. For example, if you were to pre-announce a DUVL or EUVL machine BEFORE it is delivered or some kind of breakthrough that would catapult China tech above the leading edge. This kind of critical information will inform hostile think tankers and anti-China Western journalists, that are active in these forums, to report this to their backers and superiors in the US government. Until now, the US elite have been in denial of China's capabilities. They explain it all away with derogatory thinking like it is all copied or stolen and this is why they believe they can block and even reverse China's development. We can't give the drop to these morons. Not all of them are so delusional. Most of their thinking is clouded with ideology, ignorance, emotion, group-think and often racism. We need to keep them in this state for as long as possible. Right now, these mounting smears, slander and sanctions have been an incredible gift for China. They have united China's population like never before and forced a comprehensive tech independence drive. In the future, this will be looked back on as the reason China not only overtook America+puppets in technology but also in world markets. It is a once in a century opportunity on a silver platter. Please use caution and wisdom.
Yes......i share your concerns and others about this issue.
What has really surprised me is that this Forum which started off as a small place where a bunch of Tech fanatics can discuss the latest developments in the Chinese Semiconductor Industry, has changed into what it is today, which is a place where alot of foreign entities are looking to get information.
Sure......all posters should always strike a balance in providing the latest information everyone is craving for but at the same time not giving too much away.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Yes......i share your concerns and others about this issue.
What has really surprised me is that this Forum which started off as a small place where a bunch of Tech fanatics can discuss the latest developments in the Chinese Semiconductor Industry, has changed into what it is today, which is a place where alot of foreign entities are looking to get information.
Sure......all posters should always strike a balance in providing the latest information everyone is craving for but at the same time not giving too much away.
I think you do a good job of providing enough interesting information about developments without giving away any actionable intelligence.
 

caudaceus

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Yes......i share your concerns and others about this issue.
What has really surprised me is that this Forum which started off as a small place where a bunch of Tech fanatics can discuss the latest developments in the Chinese Semiconductor Industry, has changed into what it is today, which is a place where alot of foreign entities are looking to get information.
Sure......all posters should always strike a balance in providing the latest information everyone is craving for but at the same time not giving too much away.
Eh all info is open source anyway sourced from general news services. It's not like internal confidentials informations sourced from deep web are shared and discussed here.
 

dfrtyhgj

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@WTAN , @foofy, and all others with privileged, insider information. I suggest to you and anybody else with privileged information to consider if any specific insider information holds the potential to negatively affect the policy decision making of the US government. For example, if you were to pre-announce a DUVL or EUVL machine BEFORE it is delivered or some kind of breakthrough that would catapult China tech above the leading edge. This kind of critical information will inform hostile think tankers and anti-China Western journalists, that are active in these forums, to report this to their backers and superiors in the US government. Until now, the US elite have been in denial of China's capabilities. They explain it all away with derogatory thinking like it is all copied or stolen and this is why they believe they can block and even reverse China's development. We can't give the drop to these morons. Not all of them are so delusional. Most of their thinking is clouded with ideology, ignorance, emotion, group-think and often racism. We need to keep them in this state for as long as possible. Right now, these mounting smears, slander and sanctions have been an incredible gift for China. They have united China's population like never before and forced a comprehensive tech independence drive. In the future, this will be looked back on as the reason China not only overtook America+puppets in technology but also in world markets. It is a once in a century opportunity on a silver platter. Please use caution and wisdom.
It doesn't matter, China won the war already, nothing the US can do to change destiny.
 

AndrewS

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Yes......i share your concerns and others about this issue.
What has really surprised me is that this Forum which started off as a small place where a bunch of Tech fanatics can discuss the latest developments in the Chinese Semiconductor Industry, has changed into what it is today, which is a place where alot of foreign entities are looking to get information.
Sure......all posters should always strike a balance in providing the latest information everyone is craving for but at the same time not giving too much away.

Well, I use this forum as a place to make the point that the US technology war against China is self-defeating in the long run.

It just drives China to develop alternatives to US technology, and China is big enough to catchup and sustain a competitive semiconductor industry all by itself.

For example, more smartphones are consumed in China than all of the developed world. And 50%-60% of all semiconductors are consumed or pass through Chinese factories. And we may have already passed the point where China spends more on R&D than the USA, as per the National Science Foundation.

So it's just a matter of time.
 

avatar1234

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Can anyone help me recapitulate the current situation when it comes to Chinese fabs?
SMIC is making 28nm chips at full scale production? But is it using exclusively Chinese made tools to do it?
Is any other Chinese maker making 28nm chips in China?

SMIC is making 14nm chips as well, but not at full scale. And it is not using exclusively Chinese made tools to do it?

The 28nm will switch to domestically made tools next year?
And 14nm will attain full scale next year, but still using foreign made tools?
 

dfrtyhgj

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Can anyone help me recapitulate the current situation when it comes to Chinese fabs?
SMIC is making 28nm chips at full scale production? But is it using exclusively Chinese made tools to do it?
Is any other Chinese maker making 28nm chips in China?

SMIC is making 14nm chips as well, but not at full scale. And it is not using exclusively Chinese made tools to do it?

The 28nm will switch to domestically made tools next year?
And 14nm will attain full scale next year, but still using foreign made tools?
Domestic 28nm starts at the end of this year, and domestic 14nm starts at the end of next year. Domestic 7nm the year after that. And domestic EUV the year after.
 

caudaceus

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Having indigenous fab capability aside, do we know which AI chip designers decided to utilize the indigenous fabs?
I have a feeling that the race to AI will utilize mainly specific purpose AI chips instead of general GPU/CPU.
 
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