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Oldschool

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Because every business is there to make money. China would be big North Korea if it didn't focus on making money and economics.

Apparently a lot more than you and your old-school outdated post Chinese civil war style.

The education system geared China up for growth in the era that it was made for and it did that wonderfully hence China's growth and success. You cannot create an education system for something that has yet to happen because the demand is not there yet, so the students will not enlist to learn something that will drop them in some dead-end government stipend job.

The US had a rivalry with the Soviets regardless of their economics, which was far far weaker than China's. Even in retrospect, you cannot correctly describe America's trends but you expect other people to accurately predict the future.

No, it's the fault of some wannabe expert who has accomplished nothing to speak of criticizing a government that runs the fastest developing country in the world.

What does it mean to be prepared? Is it prepared to be at a stage where you can quickly develop the tools when needed? Or do you need to have prototypes? Or do you need to have everything in competitive order ready for the market immediately? There are so many different levels of preparedness in so many different fields. That America has so few targets to attempt the technological chokehold on with China is China being prepared. A lessor nation could have multiple critical technologies in all fields strangled and be unable to handle R&D on all of them at once. Your complaint is simply raising the standards sky high for others without looking at yourself.

One of the biggest mistakes that the Soviets made in their ideology was to do things for the sake of doing them; China does things as the need arises. And because of that, China always found itself in the hotspot of growth while the Soviets bankrupted themselves on needless projects that they did not have the resources to see through to the end. A domestic advanced lithograph was exactly such a project before the tech war. It would have been tremendously expensive and inefficient to build, especially because companies didn't want to make one as there was no need, so using government funds to push them was like trying to push an elephant lying down. Those resources can be used to push many other things that move better, and the CCP did just that. Now, the need is there and the these companies all see that their futures depend on it; that elephant is up and running and with an additional push, it's charging forward like it's got an engine in it.

That's an economically ignorant thing to say. Because there is a problem now with China needing to replace some foreign parts, which it can do, you are overcorrecting into a territory that would have made China a much smaller and failed economy instead. If everyone else is in an internationalized economy and you are not, you are like North Korea and you will end up spending higher and higher percentages of your wealth to achieve lesser and lesser technological breakthroughs in that situation.

No, it reflects China's dynamism and adaptability to a changing challenge and global environment.
Faulty notion widely adopted by Chinese is debunked and that's why they unprepared . This is so faulty.

你中有我。我中有你

This is widely adopted in Chinese government and society level before trump launched trade and tech war , and all out cold war as of now.

I don't think you understand since you living since your youth in US working in hospital or clinic related and take offense at newcomers or fobs not speak good enough english and try to mingle with white folks socially to prove youself and don't really qualify to speak and stand for China position. How ironic.

Just some dude living in US and randomly barking in the forum.

You totally disconnected with what people talking in most Chinese forums.

No you are not qualified to speak for the behalf of Chinese government.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Faulty notion widely adopted by Chinese is debunked and that's why they unprepared . This is so faulty.
The only thing debunked is all of your statements. I don't even know which incorrect statement of yours you are trying to refer to here.
你中有我。我中有你

This is widely adopted in Chinese government and society level before trump launched trade and tech war , and all out cold war as of now.
This deserves the same answer I gave for preparedness. You are making the standards sky high for other people with no competence on your part to show for it. China's the most prepared that any country has ever been to challenge the US; criticizing that is like criticizing Michael Jordan for not averaging 40 points a game instead of his 30.
I don't think you understand since you living cozily in US and don't really qualify to speak and stand for China position.
You are the least qualified person here having been proven wrong on so many of your arguments. You've also never indicated where you live, except a different random place with every new account.
Just some dude living in US and randomly barking in the forum.
At least I can be honest about who I am and where I live instead of hiding behind multiple accounts with multiple destinations on multiple fake careers despite being obviously the same unwelcome person who was banned 20 times. You don't even have the guts to debate with honesty about who you are; of course all your arguments are just as false.
 

Oldschool

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The only thing debunked is all of your statements. I don't even know which incorrect statement of yours you are trying to refer to here.

This deserves the same answer I gave for preparedness. You are making the standards sky high for other people with no competence on your part to show for it. China's the most prepared that any country has ever been to challenge the US; criticizing that is like criticizing Michael Jordan for not averaging 40 points a game instead of his 30.

You are the least qualified person here having been proven wrong on so many of your arguments. You've also never indicated where you live, except a different random place with every new account.

At least I can be honest about who I am and where I live instead of hiding behind multiple accounts with multiple destinations on multiple fake careers despite being obviously the same unwelcome person who was banned 20 times. You don't even have the guts to debate with honesty about who you are; of course all your arguments are just as false.
The only thing debunked is all of your statements. I don't even know which incorrect statement of yours you are trying to refer to here.

This deserves the same answer I gave for preparedness. You are making the standards sky high for other people with no competence on your part to show for it. China's the most prepared that any country has ever been to challenge the US; criticizing that is like criticizing Michael Jordan for not averaging 40 points a game instead of his 30.

You are the least qualified person here having been proven wrong on so many of your arguments. You've also never indicated where you live, except a different random place with every new account.

At least I can be honest about who I am and where I live instead of hiding behind multiple accounts with multiple destinations on multiple fake careers despite being obviously the same unwelcome person who was banned 20 times. You don't even have the guts to debate with honesty about who you are; of course all your arguments are just as false.
Have no idea who you referring to,?ZeEa5KPul
I don't think you understand that Chinese phrase.
你中有我。我中有你
Comparing this to Michael Jordan scoring is totally disconnected on many levels.
Just enjoy your days in US and save the troubles
 
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manqiangrexue

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I don't think you understand since you living since your youth in US working in hospital or clinic related and take offense at newcomers or fobs not speak good enough english and try to mingle with white folks socially to prove youself and don't really qualify to speak and stand for China position. How ironic.
That is really a shit ton of assumptions that you have no idea about. Pretty much all of my friends are Asian, mostly Chinese, some Korean, and how wrong you are on this perfectly exemplifies how you are always unhesitant to make statements while being totally in the dark on a host of issues.
You totally disconnected with what people talking in most Chinese forums.

No you are not qualified to speak for the behalf of Chinese government.
You literally did not do a mental check just to see if the things you say can backfire right on you verbatim, did you? We both have no qualifications to speak for the CCP, but I am overqualified to debate you down every time.
Have no idea who you referring to,?ZeEa5KPul
Ok, keep trying that. See if anybody believes you. Did anyone believe your claim that Deino and Terran are the same person?
I don't think you understand that Chinese phrase.
你中有我。我中有你
Comparing this to Michael Jordan scoring is totally disconnected on many levels.
I took it as the Taichi symbol, to have a part of yourself in your opponent and he will as well in you meaning that you must understand him and predict his movements. It was Bruce Lee's fighting philosophy that the black and white dots in the taichi symbol are your eyes in your opponent's heart and I took your statement to mean that China had not perfectly followed this or it would have predicted America's moves. So I responded that China has done this, just not on a perfect level.

If you had meant that too many people in the CCP had friendly feelings towards the US, that is a different story. I would say that that is clearly a visage. China had at all times been preparing its economy and military to overtake the US. Its trade principles emphasized taking American IP and its tech development emphasized competing with America, especially in supercomputing and AI. That their words were not vicious but always called for friendship is the foundation of diplomacy and it got China very far, bought China much time before the US realized that China was not a submissive partner. If China had emphasized its intent to antagonize American global dominance from the start, America would have kept a heavy boot on China from very early on when China was too weak to challenge any Western nation and China could have ended up like, once again, North Korea.
Just enjoy your days in US and save the troubles
That should be you in your retirement except I remember your lamentations of retire for mistaken reasons...
 
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Oldschool

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@WTAN
Are you aware of this electron beam lithography equipment.
Chinese company acquired a British NBL making electron beam lithography for making mask in 2016. How's that coming alone. That would be another core capability. I hope they doing well.

博康集团收购英国NBL公司并落户徐州
 

Oldschool

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EMIB/3D interchip packaging tech is critical. Lesser advanced chip can be packaged in a way to achieve same or above more advanced monolithic chip.

35nm CPU and 55nm RAM can be packaged in a way to achieve 6 to 9 times the performance of Nvidia 16nm GPU.



因为28nm技术的芯片通过先进封装就可以达到5nm的效果。

最后一种 EMIB/3D Interchip 异质整合封装是在矽芯片层次的封装。目前市面上没有成品。但是台湾已经做出来了。这个效能有多惊人呢?据说用 35nm CPU 与 55nm 的 RAM 封装在一起。用矿机测试,可以达到 Nvidia 16nm GPU 矿机 6 -9 倍效能。
 

Orthan

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China is well known in the world for its internet companies prowess. Baidu, tencent, alibaba.

What kind of chemical and mechanical world class Chinese companies you talking about , dude?

The best companies in country will directly reflect it's education system
The reason that china has that internet companies prowess is in large part because foreign companies are blocked from the chinese market, and other barriers. You cant acess google nor facebook in china. I dont think that one can conclude anything about china´s education system from the fact that chinese best know companies are largely internet ones.

Its very hard for chinese companies to compete with the multinationals that have decades of experience ahead of them. china only really started developing in the last 40 years. For example, geely (AFAIK the largest private chinese car company), only started making cars in 1999. hyundai started making cars in 1968.
 

latenlazy

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Faulty notion widely adopted by Chinese is debunked and that's why they unprepared . This is so faulty.

你中有我。我中有你

This is widely adopted in Chinese government and society level before trump launched trade and tech war , and all out cold war as of now.

I don't think you understand since you living since your youth in US working in hospital or clinic related and take offense at newcomers or fobs not speak good enough english and try to mingle with white folks socially to prove youself and don't really qualify to speak and stand for China position. How ironic.

Just some dude living in US and randomly barking in the forum.

You totally disconnected with what people talking in most Chinese forums.

No you are not qualified to speak for the behalf of Chinese government.
Are you suggesting that you are more Chinese than the leadership of the country, since you seem to be accusing the leadership of the country of “not understanding” as well?
 

Oldschool

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Are you suggesting that you are more Chinese than the leadership of the country, since you seem to be accusing the leadership of the country of “not understanding” as well?
I understand more what's happening inside China than wannabe CCP party spokesperson , US living since youth and working in US hospital or clinics manqiangruxue. Members PM me say his behaviors is polluting the thread and disrupt people want to learn.

Lets going back to China semiconductor industry learning, should we?
 

Oldschool

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As Huawei cellphone unit sliding into extinction, so is its server unit.
Its transferring server chip to EV car market. It's using limited taishan Kirin 990A server chip on EV cars. Huawei betting EV car sector is more important than server and cellphone side.

华为Hi系车载“Huawei Inside”平台方案的麒麟990A自研泰山架构处理器
 
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