Yes there are. Many US analog chips in Chinese system. They have been rerouted many layers.
Chinese semiconductor industry
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There aren't. No US corporate is going to be blatantly violating trade control regulations like that.
In China US chips are sell through chinese distributors..
And there are front companies doing purchases.
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You don't think distributors themselves sign end-use agreements and you don't ask front companies for inventory accounting?
Iol, they are Chinese inside China. There can be fake papers. Trying to enforce US regulations strictly? Give me a break.
Especially military systems which unlike commercial, use low volumes.
Front companies can purchase today and out of business tomorrow
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Oversight is generally done by US nationals. Anyway, you've given a ton of claims without supporting evidence to boot
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Remember around twenty years ago the US wanted to ban the most simplest of chips, by today's standards, to China because they were being used in Chinese landmines? Back then it was seen as something exclusive to the US and could be controlled too.
Because its so common. Not just China but many parts of world as well.
Think about it.
How do you control front companies in business today and out of business tomorrow?
Chinese distributor worker only care to make sales today. Tommorow they might find another job
I disagree with this Not-Made-In-Here mentality Oldschool keeps bringing up, especially in education. It is like refusing to use Java to teach computer science because you are worried about students only being able to program in Java afterward.
There is nothing wrong with teaching concepts using industry-standard tools. So long as you actually learn about what those tools do under the hood, you don't have to worry about being locked into proprietary tools.
Just because I learned how to do some complex engineering computations in MATLAB doesn't mean I can't figure out how to do the same thing in something like Python, since I know the math I want those tools to do.
All those people who get locked into those tools probably never learned what they do or how they work. This is why universities should teach the concept behind those tools, so students can figure out alternative solutions when those tools become unavailable.
There is nothing wrong with teaching concepts using industry-standard tools. So long as you actually learn about what those tools do under the hood, you don't have to worry about being locked into proprietary tools.
Just because I learned how to do some complex engineering computations in MATLAB doesn't mean I can't figure out how to do the same thing in something like Python, since I know the math I want those tools to do.
All those people who get locked into those tools probably never learned what they do or how they work. This is why universities should teach the concept behind those tools, so students can figure out alternative solutions when those tools become unavailable.
The danger of doing that is once student got trained using US tech once they become professional they tend to fall back into using US tech. Once entering professional time to make money fast , they want use something they familiar.
That's why US tech companies so eager to partner with Universities in training
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