Chinese semiconductor industry
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What i wanted to say was that Huawei for a certain amount was prepared against component being blocked and could quickly replace those components in the first round of the tech war. I don't think China or Huawei expected the US to change the rule this much that they could block TSMC from accepting new Huawei orders after September 2020. If you ask me there wasn't enough time for China or Huawei to prepare for this level of game breaking changes that the US implemented anyway. That is the power of the euro dollar system and the far reaching arm of the US law.
Outside of the top end access to fabs, Huawei seems to be doing fine. Their top end mobile segment will recover in a year of 5~6 when domestic fab capability are good enough. Top end hardware is not the moneymaker, its top end software that will give you a license to print money.
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You control front companies by seeing what technologies are trafficked and force companies to not use distributers for those technologies and/or only use large distributors and threaten to cut them off if they engage in illegal trade practices
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On this topic, most industry standard tools are fairly similar. Just like with computer languages, if you know one of them, you know all of them, same thing applies with software. Much of the logic remains the same so you just need to learn a new format
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This is what you said: "My question is it OK to use US parts on Chinese space and military system?" Semiconductors is not even in the sentence. What's funny is your attempt to deflect a lost argument. And even then, you ignored my reasoning, because it leaves you nowhere to go. It includes semiconductors and all parts that could possibly be used:
"So if you could obtain 10-20 years (or whatever number the PLA deems necessary) worth of spares right off the bat under a disguised civilian company, and you can verify that they have no back doors, you should be safe on this one. This is especially true in space systems, because they need very little maintenance and very rare part replacement.
In the meantime, of course, Chinese companies should be working on a competitive alternative."
Well, that's when they were in an environment that encourages building upon a foundation that can be purchased from foreign parts. That environment has changed into one of self-reliance so in order to survive, they will adapt their skills to creating a Chinese foundation, or build upon a Chinese foundation that others create. I have already told you this but you only repeat the argument without actual rebuttal.
They get money and the benefits of the cooperation. If what you say is true, the US government should be eager to train more Chinese STEM students to ensnare China into reliance on US tech. Instead, the opposite is true.
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Good work, seems to be fine with the schedule
Q4 2021 risk production, Q2 2022 full production
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I assume it was this article?
Translation of article (paraphrased, obviously):
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Domestic deep ultraviolet immersion lithography (DUV) has been assembled and completed, left assembly line.
- Shanghai Microelectronics was responsible for overall integration [of components]
- The ultra-precision grating system comes from Shanghai Institute of Optical Precision Machinery, Chinese Academy of Sciences.
- The lithography objective lens set is from Beijing Guowang Optical
- The light source is from Keyi Hong Yuan
- The immersion system is from Zhejiang Qi'er Mechanical and Electrical
- The double workpiece table is from Huazhuo Precision Technology
The lithography machine is over hundred million [USD?], the prototype is ready to be put into mass-production. prototype is in a commercial state, will not be placed in the corner to eat dust.
Initial yield during the beginning testing stages is lower, about 30%. Time waits for no one, so production companies should be subsidized. Low yield rate can be improved in production. If production is established, improvement is not a problem.
Thus, the main equipment and materials used for 28nm chip production have been localized. Before the end of this year, all-domestic 28nm production lines could be realized, and testing/development of 14nm and 7nm production may be carried out next year.
Development of EUV and DUV technologies are being carried out simultaneously (the scenario of "progression from finishing DUV development to starting EUV development" is not the case as both are being developed simultaneously, not one at a time). The development of EUV lithography machine a military directive, and is expected to be off the assembly line by 2023, the progress is apparently greatly ahead of schedule. By 2025, 80% of the chip localization may be realized."
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It seems everything is on-track according to this article, and confirms the alleged initial testing yield rate of 30% for SMEE's 28nm DUV lithography machine. Some of the timelines for EUV and chip production localization may be a little too optimistic in my view (EUV development may finish by 2025 at the earliest, and 80% chip localisation might only happen by 2030). @WTAN what do you think?
However, the veracity of this information should be confirmed....Chinese private media outlets are not great at citing their sources and sometimes can get their information wrong. I do not know how credible this news is, but I will go ahead and trust it.
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I only interested in semiconductor not low ended stuffs.
Chinese people don't really give a damn about enforcing US rules inside China.
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