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voyager1

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Its not a surprise. Electric car is easier to develop than ICE car. I dare to bet on them to deliver great E Autonomous Car than that company name Evergrande.
Evergrande developing an EV is a joke. That the Chinese Gov allow this heavily indebted and incompetent company to expand into the EV sector is indefensible.

Anyway this is offtopic, better to move into the EV cars thread
 

manqiangrexue

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I point out to mod because you engage in personal attack and slandering. Mod already gave you a warning not engage in such way.
Look at you making up stories. Go reread the moderation. If the mod gave me a warning, then he warned your entire thread to stop posting trash against the CCP... and then he shut it down.
Your family connected with the CCP?
No more than any other Chinese family. The future of all Chinese is connected to the CCP.
Plenty of semiconductor discussion you won't engage but as soon as pointing the Chinese government weakness you immediately jump like grasshopper.
Well, because as soon as you criticize the CCP, you are wrong, so I point out the invalidity of your accusations of what is only human imperfection yet real world excellence as compared to peers, as "weakness" and I also compare it to your own actions and history, which can be correctly deemed as weakness and incompetence.
If Chinese government' choose not to do anything regarding to this TSMC scheme to protect domestic players then it's plain incompetent. No rocket science.
This is future tense. You are criticizing them for something you think in the future? We will see how they handle TSMC's challenge when China's domestic lines are capable of supplying China's needs.
I guess your feeling got hurted Everytime because CCP or Chinese government got criticized.
You guess wrong on everything. I spoke up because I see such an imbalance. A person reported his own thread, then got it locked up, then complains that a trouble-maker got it locked up! Such an efficient way of doing things, and this person calls the CCP, the most competent government in the world, incompetent? It's like an egg calling an anvil frail! So ironically funny!
BS. SMIC 28nm production capacity is not even fully filled up.
Is that true? Show the evidence. This is using ASML instead of SMEE so the importance is far less. Is the 28nm chip of useable/competitive quality? Post the whole story because as I am led to believe, SMIC capacity is overfilled and on all of the newer nodes, it is in low quantity trial production. If a certain node isn't selling, it's got some serious problems.
Previously, TSMC almost put SMIC out of business in a lawsuit and Chinese government stayed on side line , didn't step up to protect its own player. Stunning job indeed.
Show me your evidence. If TSMC put SMIC out of business, then why is it still in business? Are you exaggerating a small ruling?

How old was this? Before the tech war when China had to maintain a visage of fairness, or after?
If Chinese government did its job , Chinese industry would have at least 100% Indeginous tech fully operational at 45nm by now.
So which government "did its job" and has 100% indigenous fully operational line? All countries rely on ASML; China is the only one making an effort and a very credible effort, to create a competitor, and you say that the CCP didn't do its job because this competitor didn't rise long ago? Case in point of what I said regarding your unfounded criticisms.
 
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Oldschool

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Look at you making up stories. Go reread the moderation. If the mod gave me a warning, then he warned your entire thread to stop posting trash against the CCP... and then he shut it down.

No more than any other Chinese family. The future of all Chinese is connected to the CCP.

Well, because as soon as you criticize the CCP, you are wrong, so I point out the invalidity of your accusations of what is only human imperfection yet real world excellence as compared to peers, as "weakness" and I also compare it to your own actions and history, which can be correctly deemed as weakness and incompetence.

This is future tense. You are criticizing them for something you think in the future? We will see how they handle TSMC's challenge when China's domestic lines are capable of supplying China's needs.

You guess wrong on everything. I spoke up because I see such an imbalance. A person reported his own thread, then got it locked up, then complains that a trouble-maker got it locked up! Such an efficient way of doing things, and this person calls the CCP, the most competent government in the world, incompetent? It's like an egg calling an anvil frail! So ironically funny!

Is that true? Show the evidence. This is using ASML instead of SMEE so the importance is far less. Is the 28nm chip of useable/competitive quality? Post the whole story because as I am led to believe, SMIC capacity is overfilled and on all of the newer nodes, it is in low quantity trial production. If a certain node isn't selling, it's got some serious problems.

Show me your evidence. If TSMC put SMIC out of business, then why is it still in business? Are you exaggerating a small ruling?

How old was this? Before the tech war when China had to maintain a visage of fairness, or after?

So which government "did its job" and has 100% indigenous fully operational line? All countries rely on ASML; China is the only one making an effort and a very credible effort, to create a competitor, and you say that the CCP didn't do its job because this competitor didn't rise long ago? Case in point of what I said regarding your unfounded criticisms.
You need to do some homework since you have some many things unsure and love to argue just for the sake of arguing and waste people's time.

Once you done those homeworks, many of the questions you asked will be answered by yourself


I give you some hint on your questions.


Why don't you do a survey to ask Chinese in this forum if they feel hurted if CCP criticized?

Does the forum allows person attack under any thread?

Why did Richard Chang the founder left SMIC?

When will TSMC 28nm production come online? And How many total fabs capable of 28nm by that time in China?


When did smee 90nm lithography came out?
 
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manqiangrexue

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You need to do some homework since you have some many things unsure. Once you done those homeworks, many of the questions you asked will be answered by yourself
That is your new version of "I'm not showing you any evidence because that's what you want me to do."?

Go do your homework. Once you've done it, you'll know how worthless your criticisms of the CCP are.
I give you some hint on your questions.
Not accepted. Evidence for your claims is accepted if you have any.
Why don't you do a survey to ask Chinese in this forum if they feel hurted if CCP criticized?
Because that's off topic and stupid.
Does the forum allows person attack?
Does the forum allow multiple accounts?
Why did Richard Chang left SMIC?
When will TSMC 28nm production come online?
When did smee 90nm lithography came out?
If you don't know, go do research. My screen name isn't Google.
 

Oldschool

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That is your new version of "I'm not showing you any evidence because that's what you want me to do."?

Go do your homework. Once you've done it, you'll know how worthless your criticisms of the CCP are.

Not accepted. Evidence for your claims is accepted if you have any.

Because that's off topic and stupid.

Does the forum allow multiple accounts?

If you don't know, go do research. My screen name isn't Google.
Refusing to do homeworks?

Ok fine , give some tech insights for audience like voyager1 , horse, ansys1968, and others so they can learn something from you?

You got to show your worthiness not just a street fighter.
 

manqiangrexue

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Refusing to do homeworks?
That would summarize your entire complaint against the CCP.
Ok fine , give some tech insights for audience like voyager1 , horse, ansys1968, and others so they can learn something from you?

You got to show your worthiness not just a street fighter.
Nonsensical tripe of an answer from someone who can't debate or show evidence for his claims.

And I'm doing just fine with my insight; thanks.
 
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Oldschool

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Nonsensical tripe of an answer from someone who can't debate or show evidence for his claims.
If others ask me the same questions I would gladly answer.
Because you are not credible person.
Not a regular contributor and give valuable insights
Now all of sudden you jump out of blue to argue .
Pretty much waste of people's time.

Track record speaks for itself. Your track record for contribution of valuable insights is non-existent.
 

manqiangrexue

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Because you are not credible person.
I've got more credibility on this site than all of your old accounts put together. Check my like and post count.
Not a regular contributor and give valuable insights
At least I don't give wrong insight and criticism like you. And I don't proudly repeat obvious junk "insight" about TSMC trying to do in China what every company wishes to do to its rivals as if I cracked some enemy wartime code. That you repeatedly parrot this as if it were some crown gem analysis shows how shallow your knowledge and abilities really are.
Now all of sudden you jump out of blue to argue.
What do you want, an application and formal intent signed? Suddenly coming to debate is how it works on an online forum.
Pretty much waste of people's time.
Like every time you call "incompetent" a government that has achieved more than any other peer in the world.
Track record speaks for itself.
Which one? The one of your multiple bans or the one where you repeatedly squealed that you were raped by Deino?
Your track record for contribution of valuable insights is non-existent.
Reread my first and second line of this response.
 
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