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Chinese semiconductor industry
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It is like a double-edged sword. Obama once banned the export of supercomputer chips to China, they wanted to prevent China from using supercomputers to simulate nuclear explosions. But a year later, China developed its own native chips. If the United States can foresee the future, it will continue to export supercomputer chips. This does not stop China from developing its own supercomputer chip, but will slow the research process (3-4 years) and help American corporations make more money.
Current US strategy, is it working or not. Only the future can answer.
Can I have the story about The US banned 5-Axis machine tools from being sold to China. Because it sounds doesn't make sense. What year that ban happened?
@Kazuo Ken bro plus the ban of launching and selling satellites in 1999.
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The Redditor is wrong. He has Chinese lag times simply wrong. Fab is not 10 years behind. Equipment is not 20 years behind. EDA is software and can be replicated quite easily.
That's story long time ago. Under batumi(paris coordinate) specially target communist country. Practically all high tech is not allowed. Only if similar product is develop in China ban is lift.
5 axis CNC machine include in export control. Until China manage develop, they will not sell to China. But some of second hand product arrived at 1980s as China Honeymoon with US during that time.
What a weird condition they put there lol. I think they wanted China to develop similar machines using Chinese own knowledge and technology so when they lift the ban and start selling their machines again in China Chinese manufacturers will not going to steal or copy their technology or product because Chinese have mastered the technology on their own. That's their thinking I guess.
@mderfox And it also help that Germany and Japan don't restrict its company and even let the Chinese bought KUKA and now most of them had factory in China. The same thing is happening in the semi conductor sector. The banning force the Chinese to develop its own and when they had develop a successful product the ban will be lifted. Its a nuance on China part but deep inside they are thankful cause it made them self sufficient, with SMEE 28NM DUVL coming on stream ASML will break ranks with the US and sell their DUVL. The Chinese had been calm ever since Trump implement his sanction against the Chinese company, they had played this game before and know how to win it.
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Buying KUKA was a coup for China. However the Germans were not happy with this but they couldn't do anything because they didn't have the laws.
After the KUKA sale, the Germans ran straight to the EU to start a framework for controlling technology etc.
Its not weird but a classic capitalist system. Lets say China manage develop EUV, ASML will immediately sell EUV tools to China. Then chinese company will got on dilemma either buy or face fierce competition.
Why China indigenous product fail because of competition. Currently ASML EUVL is completely monopoly, practically they can put any price and condition to customer and price is very expensive. Meanwhile in the process they already get ROI back. Once competition coming in they can put price very cheaply on reason technology mature to avoid anti-dumping law.
That's why Chinese company (public or pribate) very hard to develop their own indigenous tech. Competition in China is cutthroat than any capitalist country on the world. They need survive first than develop their own tech in the process they already to late. If not central government intervention and US sanctions hard to any china company to innovation. Among Chinese company that have innovation already sanctions by US.
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