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Hendrik_2000

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taxiya said:
That is a statement totally not qualified. I grow up in a university in Beijing that are specialized in education of foreign students. There is no group of students that is outstandingly bad-behaving. In fact, Africans are known to be the best in grasping Mandarin speech, which is one of the desired quality as a student.

I sincerely advice you not to generalize people based on their origin because that is edging to the ism that we should stay away from.
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Everybody like to be goody goody 2 shoes but the reality is not pretty and we have to acknowledge it! You can call me what you want but I just said what I see The university I was is the entry point for all foreign student in China they have to learn the language first !
 
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voyager1 said:
China's leadership disagree with you. China actively sponsors Africans to study in Chinese universities.

And please dont be racist towards Africans. These people have been let down from their failed governments and from Western Colonialism. In these poor countries, the people who are the brightest are tough people who survived in this environment.

And I didnt say that China should follow the EU's model (failed), neither the US' model (working sometimes, failing other times)...
China should create its own model for attracting top foreign talent. They could first offer them, a 15 years resident permit, and then allow them to take difficult tests, on political system, cultural norms etc.

China can create its own immigration model, there is no reason to follow EU and the US.

The people entering EU and the US are mostly the bottom of the society which is why they are failing. China should strive only for excellence and for following its own culture not importing culture from other countries
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China sponsors Africans/South Asians not because they want to integrate them, but cultivate potential leaders who could influence their native countries when they return home.

Let’s get back to topic please.
 
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SMIC revenue 2020 came out.
0.35um and 40nm are the most popular nodes. Those two constituted 91% of it's revenue.

28nm and 14nm combined only contributed 9.2%

But starting at 28nm node expansion it's starting to use domestic equipments.

At 0.35um and 40nm SMIC still using its old US equipments for manufacturing.

Also it won't talk about 7nm anymore publically. Revealing it only invites US more sabotages. So no need to check the progress on that.

Liang got huge paid raise to $1.4 million yearly salary and a gift of $3million house. He have to make sure SMIC 7nm works with duv.
 
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Regarding to Huawei it will have to transform itself.


SMIC not manufacturing for Huawei. Even SMIC has 7nm it won't matter.

Kirin , baloong, taishan server ,ascend AI chips all have to say good bye. Or sell its IPs go other players.

Domestic equipments and materials will not come up in times to serve them...

China military doing pretty well with less advanced WS10A/B which is equivalent to DUV 28nm ArF immersion. Even WS10 took a long long time to be perfected. I expect same with DUV 28nm, it won't be smooth.
 
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Even TSMC is much advanced and alot of customers , but it doesn't live securely. US wants to take it's tech and market shares. And China is on its military unification mode.
A press of button , barrage of uninterceptable rockets will damage TSMC and it's power plant. EUV eats extreme amount of electricity.

It's living on the edge.
 
escobar

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voyager1 said:
I dont know why people keep blaming and accusing the US.

The fault is clearly China's. The original sin is weakness.

China allowed itself to become dependent to West Tech.
China worshipped and it is still worshpping white technology and products (see the example of the ex-head of the chinese company who was surprised by the Biden sanctions lol)

The US is following its strategy and it is logical that it doesn't want its IP to help their enemy, China.
So, Chinese people should blame Chinese companies, their managers/CEOs and ultimately their governent for allowing China to become overdependent on Western IP.

Strong are strong, and weak are weak. Weakness is a fault, and China is now paying dearly for their weakness.
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But CN say they are now equal to US...
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China hasn't even pulled any of its levers yet...
DCEP to displace the dollar
Rare earth ban
Press a button and send a missile to strike TSMC and you can kiss the world's advance semiconductor industry goodbye for the next decade
Actually, complete and total decoupling with US, and see who has more endurance... American's will be on the streets within weeks and there will be civil war before end of the month, the preexisting racial faultlines in this nation will become as fatal as if that supervolcano exploded

You wanna talk hyperinflation that is how you get hyperinflation then the dollar becomes worthless and well... once it loses its reserve currency status it ain't never getting it back
 
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China is absolutely not equal to the US. People can dream all they want and make their own reality but the US is still far ahead of China.

When China can stand alone on top of the world and be able to sanction whoever it wants without consequences, thats when it will be equal to the US. Until that happens, the US is ahead. China will need at least 10-15 year to be equal with the US.

Remember, weakness is a sin. That China suffers from the chip sanctions is only due to its weakness, nothing else.
 
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voyager1 said:
China is absolutely not equal to the US. People can dream all they want and make their own reality but the US is still far ahead of China.

When China can stand alone on top of the world and be able to sanction whoever it wants without consequences, thats when it will be equal to the US. Until that happens, the US is ahead. China will need at least 10-15 year to be equal with the US.

Remember, weakness is a sin. That China suffers from the chip sanctions is only due to its weakness, nothing else.
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With its jet engine issues mostly solved
I think, China more ready to be a military power than commercial technology power. With military power it can change things geopolitically.
US sanction more on tech and China will challenge US more militarily. I see the trend is there.
It would be very interesting to a fleet of 4 Chinese carrier groups surrounded Taiwan . Right now it uses 2.

Threat of taking over Taiwan makes US really antsy.

Soviet challenged US with obsolete vaccum tube tech and competition still lasted 40 years.

US thought it can nail down China through tech sanction, Watch over next years more Chinese military hardware's come out to challenge US.

I wish China can come out and say it will try to reach nuke parity with US. It will be better than make in China 2025 announcement.
 
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Oldschool said:
With its jet engine issues mostly solved
I think, China more ready to be a military power than commercial technology power. With military power it can change things geopolitically.
US sanction more on tech and China will challenge US more militarily. I see the trend is there.
It would be very interesting to a fleet of 4 Chinese carrier groups surrounded Taiwan . Right now it uses 2.
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EUV is 1000x more important than jet engines... China needs chips for its AI, and if it can solve AGI and dominate AI then it can use AI to solve all other problems including fusion and jet design etc

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Threat of taking over Taiwan makes US really antsy.
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Doesn't matter, Taiwan is China's to take... Yanks can go back home where they belong
 
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