There is nothing that captures the idea of "blowback" more than causing a global sunlight shortage...
Chinese semiconductor industry
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Likely to put into electronic devices for export ( uptick due to lockdowns, Zoom calls, home office etc).
No technology exists that would enable humans to destroy the "plug" of a volcano or Earthquake zone. Stuff of science fiction for now. Nuclear weapons can't do much against the ground.
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The report is unverified at this point. At this point the plan is only 1 fab producing 20,000 wafers per month
@Phead128 good summary, may I add moreThe reason why this thread is super interesting to me:
1) China can survive the US-EU Arms Embargo of 1989 and eventually achieve indigenization of key components such as radars, AESA, stealth jets, engine tech, submarines, Beidou GPS, etc...
2) The world-wide "Automotive Semiconductor Shortages" exposes the limits of US sanctions without hurting itself, therefore full de-coupling with Chinese semiconductors is highly unrealistic without significant self-harm to US corporations.
3) Moore's law is slowly drastically as physical limits near 1nm, so catching-up is easier for China.
4) The CHINESE ACADEMY OF SCIENCES is getting involved in EUV, which is basically China's best and brightest minds, combined with State (China gov't) and Private (Huawei, Xiaomi, etc...) resources. It's like going to WAR. Fking interesting.
5) This is the type of basic physical science research that CHINESE physicists excel at.
6) US is hobbled by domestic political partisanship and bickering, so effective strategy against China is pretty haphazard and inefficient.
The probably is favorable to China achieving meaningful progress in semiconductor independence in the medium term, it's like a LONG-MARCH/MANHATTAN PROJECT all rolled into one.
ALL these reasons, makes this thread super super interesting, I read the past 200 pages, but the last few pages went to absolute shit. Thank goodness for mod intervention, keep the anti-US rhetoric in the Biden thread. This should be purely progress oriented. We can shit on US in the Biden thread, but keep that in a minimum here.
7) they're not panicking, you only heard the word "regret" from the Chinese side instead of the usual incendiary words form the west and its media.
8) they had a " PLAN " and a "TIMETABLE" , if included in a five year plan it usually produce the desired result.
9) they had finally woken up , adhering to international trade rule is good if being practice by all side.
and like you bro we share the same interest as I see the Chinese, step by step able to overcome difficulties thrown on her with determination and hard work, And its very exciting especially in proving the critics wrong.
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I guess one more thing. China is the Only non western camp country to have self sufficiency at semiconductor.The reason why this thread is super interesting to me:
1) China can survive the US-EU Arms Embargo of 1989 and eventually achieve indigenization of key components such as radars, AESA, stealth jets, engine tech, submarines, Beidou GPS, etc...
2) The world-wide "Automotive Semiconductor Shortages" exposes the limits of US sanctions without hurting itself, therefore full de-coupling with Chinese semiconductors is highly unrealistic without significant self-harm to US corporations.
3) Moore's law is slowly drastically as physical limits near 1nm, so catching-up is easier for China.
4) The CHINESE ACADEMY OF SCIENCES is getting involved in EUV, which is basically China's best and brightest minds, combined with State (China gov't) and Private (Huawei, Xiaomi, etc...) resources. It's like going to WAR. Fking interesting.
5) This is the type of basic physical science research that CHINESE physicists excel at.
6) US is hobbled by domestic political partisanship and bickering, so effective strategy against China is pretty haphazard and inefficient.
The probably is favorable to China achieving meaningful progress in semiconductor independence in the medium term, it's like a LONG-MARCH/MANHATTAN PROJECT all rolled into one.
ALL these reasons, makes this thread super super interesting, I read the past 200 pages, but the last few pages went to absolute shit. Thank goodness for mod intervention, keep the anti-US rhetoric in the Biden thread. This should be purely progress oriented. We can shit on US in the Biden thread, but keep that in a minimum here.
Jet engine and aerospace , Russia and Ukraine have that.
Won't be long till China has the last two as well.
Should at least give it sometimes to work out the bugs.
Supposedly the first two set would go to SMIC Beijing JV fab middle of this year.
If there are bugs, at least give it 1 year to fix it.
But you know smee 90nm was really not working too good, it got discarded.
They need to have a backup plan in case this smee duv doesn't fly at all.
The backup plan would be EUV doing the 28nm. First prototype euv is targeted for 22nm to 32nm. So, the 28nm would fall under this range
Euv system requirement is more strict at 7nm and 5nm than 28nm in terms of higher power and higher NA.
So, if China can speed up the commercialized EUV at 22nm to 32 nm just have something workable in case smee 28nm duv doesn't fly.
After that they could upgrade the EUV for 14nm, 7nm..etc
An commercialized 22nm to 32nm euv product would be available in 2 years versus a 7nm euv in 5 or more years.
For now the correct strategy is buy as many western duv equipments as possible. That would buffer 2 to 3 years.
Euv lithography would be done changchun optics and it's commercial entity there.
Better to have different companies in case one fails
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It may not necessarily have to do with destroying the plug. One example being that some suspect that hydraulic fracturing (fracking) induces earthquakes, it looks controversial though. There could be some other means as well.
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