Chinese semiconductor industry

gelgoog said:

That's the point we've been talking about. It isn't cheap or good price performance.

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Most people settle for decent performance, not the ultimate speeds. Most people don't want giant cooling towers and kilowatt sucking power supplies.

The Zhaoxin KX-6000 has the necessary decent performance, which should improve when SMIC gets its N+2 process going.

As for price, that will come down when volumes go up; economies of scale will make the chips drastically cheaper.

The major point of the KX-6000 is that it works, and it's a great insurance policy for China to have if the crazies in the US (or the Taiwanese pineapple heads) think a total chip embargo would kill the Middle Kingdom.

Alibaba has ported Android 10 to their RISC-V processor.

daifo said:

At this point, based on the technical metrics and price/value, the only people that would consider choosing Zhaoxin over Intel/AMD would be Chinese, countries under sanction, afraid of nsa backdoors, or people that want to experiment with alternative cpu. As stated by the reviewer , there is not even general linux kernal support for it. He had to use UOS which cost about 100usd.

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The chap at the beginning of the video was showing that the Zhaozin CPU had no problem running Windows 10 since the CPU is x86 based.

Windows should be cheaper than UOS?

gelgoog said:

Alibaba has ported Android 10 to their RISC-V processor.

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Ooh I forgot about this alibaba aosp port, so hope that Moore thread gpu start up gets a flying start. Wonder if they will focus on mobile or desktop gpu as their first design

Quickie said:

The chap at the beginning of the video was showing that the Zhaozin CPU had no problem running Windows 10 since the CPU is x86 based.

Windows should be cheaper than UOS?

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The machine most likely came with a OEM Windows 10 license which should be cheap for the Chinese market. The chap wanted to go full native on the machine but the free deepin linux is not supported (maybe non-chinese linux has the support???). The only support is thru the commerical/enterprise supported UOS (also the maker of deepin) though this reviewer is using a 90 day trial. I personally need general linux support before I would consider a computer, especially a gimped one.

US inveils latest plan regarding to TSMC.

It won't be just 1 Fab at Arizona but a total of 6!
The size of the all fabs will double of TSMC site size in Taiwan

All engineers from TSMC will double the salaries and in 3 years they are eligible to have US green cards and once they accepted they will have to renounce their Taiwanese pensions and benefits.

Robbing of TSMC from Taiwan!

China needs to ban TSMC at mainland as if turning to become a US company in near future.
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6 EUV fabs at US, that's pretty wasteful and overkilled

If China can deny them the market,
they will not able to sustain long term.

economy and technology cannot be separated.

Oldschool said:

US inveils latest plan regarding to TSMC.

It won't be just 1 Fab at Arizona but a total of 6!
The size of the all fabs will double of TSMC site size in Taiwan

All engineers from TSMC will double the salaries and in 3 years they are eligible to have US green cards and once they accepted they will have to renounce their Taiwanese pensions and benefits.

Robbing of TSMC from Taiwan!

China needs to ban TSMC at mainland as if turning to become a US company in near future.
.
6 EUV fabs at US, that's pretty wasteful and overkilled

If China can deny them the market,
they will not able to sustain long term.

economy and technology cannot be separated.

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It just means that US is abandoning Taiwan

Wouldn't be surprised if TSMC headquarters in US in a few years.

Oldschool said:

US inveils latest plan regarding to TSMC.

It won't be just 1 Fab at Arizona but a total of 6!
The size of the all fabs will double of TSMC site size in Taiwan

All engineers from TSMC will double the salaries and in 3 years they are eligible to have US green cards and once they accepted they will have to renounce their Taiwanese pensions and benefits.

Robbing of TSMC from Taiwan!

China needs to ban TSMC at mainland as if turning to become a US company in near future.
.
6 EUV fabs at US, that's pretty wasteful and overkilled

If China can deny them the market,
they will not able to sustain long term.

economy and technology cannot be separated.

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Seems moving to a China fab is better deal. High salary, better food, better weather, not being robbed/raped/spit-on/assaulted/china-virus and close to home.

Oldschool said:

US inveils latest plan regarding to TSMC.

It won't be just 1 Fab at Arizona but a total of 6!
The size of the all fabs will double of TSMC site size in Taiwan

All engineers from TSMC will double the salaries and in 3 years they are eligible to have US green cards and once they accepted they will have to renounce their Taiwanese pensions and benefits.

Robbing of TSMC from Taiwan!

China needs to ban TSMC at mainland as if turning to become a US company in near future.
.
6 EUV fabs at US, that's pretty wasteful and overkilled

If China can deny them the market,
they will not able to sustain long term.

economy and technology cannot be separated.

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@Oldschool surrendering the Chinese market to Samsung? they pick the winner and Samsung need to find an alternative market.

ansy1968 said:

@Oldschool surrendering the Chinese market to Samsung? they pick the winner and Samsung need to find an alternative market.

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Focus on 28nm/14nm, avoid using any thing more advanced. Avoid both tsmc and Samsung.
Economy and technology cannot be separated. If Samsung and tsmc depending only on western market , their EUV investment cannot be sustained. They won't earn enough to finance for their next endeavours, 3nm.