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gelgoog

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I've visited a Xiaomi and HONOR store, those laptops use Intel chips. Are there any Chinese laptops that use Chinese hardware like CPU, RAM, SSD, etc...? I was to support Chinese domestic industry. Please suggest some options where to find, thank you!
Due to lack of cost-effectiveness the main customer for such computers would be the Chinese government. I know that Lenovo has laptops with the Zhaoxin x86 CPU. There are also laptops with Chinese ARM, RISC-V and Loongson CPUs.

For example here is a eye wateringly expensive and poorly performing RISC-V laptop.
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Here is the RF & power chips on a Xiaomi phone. So let's get something strait here. SoC does not include all these RF modules. The RF chips are all over your circuit board on a smartphone. Just look at that, all American companies. Huawei has to develop its own integrated power management, RF modules & analog circuitry
I'm sure it has been working this all along to ship more and more of its chips to domestic sources (most likely by Hisilicon), so in this case, it's probably just referring to stuff like PA modules & RF Fusion modules that it still needs to design with domestic SAW/BAW filters
I didn't mean to imply that all RF chips are in the SOC, only that all previous examples stuffed some 5G RFs into the SOCs and you would have to redesign to untangle that.

I just wanted to explain this is why there are conversations about 5G being part of the CPU. Huawei absolutely would have to develop their own external RF chips.

But as I already stated, the bigger problem was the filters that everyone was talking about. Which is now a solved problem. So unsurprisingly, Huawei is about to release new 5G phones.
 

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Prof @tokenanalyst a YT describing your previous post about HuaGong Tech company having a breakthrough on core chip making component like the high end wafer laser cutting equipment (from 10nm to 5nm) and will be mass produced this year.


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I've visited a Xiaomi and HONOR store, those laptops use Intel chips. Are there any Chinese laptops that use Chinese hardware like CPU, RAM, SSD, etc...? I was to support Chinese domestic industry. Please suggest some options where to find, thank you!

Apparently a Zhaoxin (x86) notebook can be bought for 2000 rmb on taobao w windows10 support. Keep your expectation low, but it likely good enough for simple office / web apps / secondary computer. He mentions he can view youtube at 1080p. Chinese Deepin OS does not work on it but the "paid" version UOS does.


Lenovo are producing them too but likely $$$
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If you are a devloper/it/hacker/hobbyist minded, there are ARM like phytium and kunpeng.

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Four senior executives at the French semiconductor outfit Ommic SAS are currently under investigation for sharing confidential technology with entities in China and Russia while skirting sanctions and export controls. Two French and two Chinese citizens working at the company have been placed under formal investigation since March this year after the allegation surfaced in the French newspaper Le Parisien.

The French industry minister Roland Lescure said that when the government warns about the risk of industrial espionage, it’s not like playing James Bond. Ommic’s technology portfolio includes gallium nitride (GaN) semiconductors, widely used in defense and aerospace electronics for their ability to operate on high voltages and sustain high temperatures.

Ommic, located in Limeil-Brévannes, France, 20 km outside Paris, has around 100 employees, and it focuses on metal organic chemical vapor deposition (MOCVD) epitaxial growth, wafer processing and fabrication, and monolithic microwave integrated circuits (MMICs) specializing in gallium arsenide (GaAs) and GaN semiconductors.

Le Parisien, which first reported on the case, also discovered that a Beijing-based Chinese businessman with ties to China’s defense industry had bought 94% of Ommic’s shares via a French-based investment fund in 2018. French authorities have stripped the majority stake of this Chinese investor while temporarily placing the company under state control before its sale to Macom.

The Lowell, Massachusetts-based chip company, which designs and manufactures RF, microwave, analog and mixed-signal, and optical semiconductors, paid $42.5 million to acquire Ommic in May 2023. “We look forward to building upon the existing team’s expertise in material science, semiconductor wafer processing and millimeter-wave MMIC design,” said Macom’s president and CEO Stephen G. Daly.

According to news reports, investigators have uncovered nearly $13 million worth of suspected technology exports. Here, the company’s French manager is suspected of personally delivering chips to Russian clients. Moreover, semiconductors products are suspected to be exported to armament manufacturers in China with the help of forged paperwork.

The semiconductor technology restrictions and export controls have taken a new turn with this Bloomberg news report about the transfer of French technology to China, especially when it’s about Ommic’s wafer processing technology. Semiconductor wafer processing and emerging technologies like GaN materials are critical to China’s ambitions of cultivating a robust chip industry.
 

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Four senior executives at the French semiconductor outfit Ommic SAS are currently under investigation for sharing confidential technology with entities in China and Russia while skirting sanctions and export controls. Two French and two Chinese citizens working at the company have been placed under formal investigation since March this year after the allegation surfaced in the French newspaper Le Parisien.

The French industry minister Roland Lescure said that when the government warns about the risk of industrial espionage, it’s not like playing James Bond. Ommic’s technology portfolio includes gallium nitride (GaN) semiconductors, widely used in defense and aerospace electronics for their ability to operate on high voltages and sustain high temperatures.

Ommic, located in Limeil-Brévannes, France, 20 km outside Paris, has around 100 employees, and it focuses on metal organic chemical vapor deposition (MOCVD) epitaxial growth, wafer processing and fabrication, and monolithic microwave integrated circuits (MMICs) specializing in gallium arsenide (GaAs) and GaN semiconductors.

Le Parisien, which first reported on the case, also discovered that a Beijing-based Chinese businessman with ties to China’s defense industry had bought 94% of Ommic’s shares via a French-based investment fund in 2018. French authorities have stripped the majority stake of this Chinese investor while temporarily placing the company under state control before its sale to Macom.

The Lowell, Massachusetts-based chip company, which designs and manufactures RF, microwave, analog and mixed-signal, and optical semiconductors, paid $42.5 million to acquire Ommic in May 2023. “We look forward to building upon the existing team’s expertise in material science, semiconductor wafer processing and millimeter-wave MMIC design,” said Macom’s president and CEO Stephen G. Daly.

According to news reports, investigators have uncovered nearly $13 million worth of suspected technology exports. Here, the company’s French manager is suspected of personally delivering chips to Russian clients. Moreover, semiconductors products are suspected to be exported to armament manufacturers in China with the help of forged paperwork.

The semiconductor technology restrictions and export controls have taken a new turn with this Bloomberg news report about the transfer of French technology to China, especially when it’s about Ommic’s wafer processing technology. Semiconductor wafer processing and emerging technologies like GaN materials are critical to China’s ambitions of cultivating a robust chip industry.
Just goes to show the hypocrisy of the west. Complains about not having open equal playing field in china while not giving Chinese companies an equal playing field in europe. Chinese buys a companys shares fair and square and gets ousted, only for the company to be sold to Americans. Why would anyone Chinese business but french assets? Why would china let France buy Chinese assets ?
 

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China shouldn’t and fortunately doesn’t. This is why the Chinese government imposed the ownership and joint venture rules in the first place.

The EU is still Western at the end of the day. It cannot be trusted as a partner, only as a buyer.

It does mean however that China needs to spend more on its critical research infrastructure as the West is increasingly moving to block Chinese access to Western technologies and research. Don’t expect short cuts from now on.
 

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Zhaoxin desktop CPU k7000 will be released this November, performance equal to Zen1.
Maybe we should aim a little higher than that. Even Loongson 6000 series is supposedly Zen2 to Zen3 in performance

I would hope that Huawei can design chips better than that

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Four senior executives at the French semiconductor outfit Ommic SAS are currently under investigation for sharing confidential technology with entities in China and Russia while skirting sanctions and export controls. Two French and two Chinese citizens working at the company have been placed under formal investigation since March this year after the allegation surfaced in the French newspaper Le Parisien.

The French industry minister Roland Lescure said that when the government warns about the risk of industrial espionage, it’s not like playing James Bond. Ommic’s technology portfolio includes gallium nitride (GaN) semiconductors, widely used in defense and aerospace electronics for their ability to operate on high voltages and sustain high temperatures.

Ommic, located in Limeil-Brévannes, France, 20 km outside Paris, has around 100 employees, and it focuses on metal organic chemical vapor deposition (MOCVD) epitaxial growth, wafer processing and fabrication, and monolithic microwave integrated circuits (MMICs) specializing in gallium arsenide (GaAs) and GaN semiconductors.

Le Parisien, which first reported on the case, also discovered that a Beijing-based Chinese businessman with ties to China’s defense industry had bought 94% of Ommic’s shares via a French-based investment fund in 2018. French authorities have stripped the majority stake of this Chinese investor while temporarily placing the company under state control before its sale to Macom.

The Lowell, Massachusetts-based chip company, which designs and manufactures RF, microwave, analog and mixed-signal, and optical semiconductors, paid $42.5 million to acquire Ommic in May 2023. “We look forward to building upon the existing team’s expertise in material science, semiconductor wafer processing and millimeter-wave MMIC design,” said Macom’s president and CEO Stephen G. Daly.

According to news reports, investigators have uncovered nearly $13 million worth of suspected technology exports. Here, the company’s French manager is suspected of personally delivering chips to Russian clients. Moreover, semiconductors products are suspected to be exported to armament manufacturers in China with the help of forged paperwork.

The semiconductor technology restrictions and export controls have taken a new turn with this Bloomberg news report about the transfer of French technology to China, especially when it’s about Ommic’s wafer processing technology. Semiconductor wafer processing and emerging technologies like GaN materials are critical to China’s ambitions of cultivating a robust chip industry.
This is the problem with Europeans. They have no idea that they are behind here, so they think some Chinese business man need access to their product in order to supply Chinese military when PLA is using power chip/RF technology way more advanced than the French.
 
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