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tokenanalyst

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Even though I agree with Jensen Huang in this instance, do not trust industry leaders. Industry leaders aren't making announcements in order to provide accurate information to you. Industry leaders make statements to promote their industry. These people are trying to make sure their bread is buttered. They lie just as much as they tell the truth in pursuit of this goal.
Maybe, but he is not lying. If a company let competition grow uncontrollably that company could find itself in the losing end of the market in a short time and cemetery of dead companies that ignored their competition exist to prove it. If Nvidia leaves the market to their competition in China is pretty logical to think Chinese GPUs companies as small the may seem today they will grow up to be pretty big companies because the demand for these products in China is not to going to go away just because an US politician wished so and to make thing even worst the absence of NVIDIA means than AI ecosystem that is not compatible with their products is going to take hold in that market and even in other markets as the Chinese will export these system, it could lock NVIDIA out of lucrative markets.
The same goes for ASML's CEO Peter Wennink when he says "Chip Controls Will Push China to Create Own Technology", why is this important? because ASML in their 40 year old history in China knows the Chinese semiconductor industry and its ecosystems better than the Chinese themselves. Most of Chinese current processes where designed in collaboration with ASML. So they know a thing or two.
To ASML knows that to leverage their competitive advantage and keep their monopolistic position they need to be anywhere and anytime were there is competition or even where it is probable competition whatever is Nikon or SMEE or China EUV or nanoimprint or new processes that minimize the use of lithography it doesn't matter they have to treat every threat as the same. They have push for open markets and they have innovate faster because if not they could probably joint the cementery of death lithography companies.


Personally, who I don't trust, overpaid think tankers and Humanity graduates self-appointed experts who have never programmed a blinking LED in a microcontroller even if their lives depended on it, who do little or minimal research. At the end of the day do the research and follow the logic. That is the only thing you have.



 

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North Huachuang has sufficient orders in hand, and its performance this year has continued to grow, driving semiconductor equipment stocks to rise collectively​

NAURA opened high and then rose by the intraday limit. According to NAURA: “Currently the company has sufficient orders in hand, and new orders in 2023 will increase by more than 30% compared with the same period last year. In good condition, it is expected that the performance will continue to grow in 2023."

Affected by this, North Huachuang drove the collective rise of A-share semiconductor equipment stocks, such as Changchuan Technology, Wanye Enterprise, Tuojing Technology, Jinhaitong, Fullerd, Lihexing, etc. followed suit.

North Huachuang also said: "Driven by the demand for domestic substitution, the domestic semiconductor equipment industry is still expected to continue to grow. At present, the company's etching, film deposition, furnace tube and cleaning equipment are all supplied to the market in batches, and the process coverage and market share continue to increase; In the future, NAURA will continue to increase R&D investment in the field of semiconductor basic products, and continuously improve customer demand-oriented innovation capabilities."

In addition, the company's etching equipment is aimed at customers such as 12-inch logic, storage, power, and advanced packaging, and has completed mass production verification of hundreds of processes. The cumulative shipment of ICP etching products has exceeded 2,000 cavities, and the 8-inch CCP etching equipment has been batched Supplying the market, the 12-inch CCP etching equipment has entered client verification.​

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tonyget

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Who? Apple A16 4nm is a glorify 5nm and other vendors are offering cheaper version as general weakness is felt as we enter a recession.

Honor sells from a low of $200 to a max of $500, a bargain IF you ask me.

The latest Snapdragon 6,7 Gen 1,MTK Dimensity 7200,8200 are all 4nm chip,and they are for mid range phones
 

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Huawei sold Honor for RMB 100B. And Huawei is able to keep HiSilicon alive.

If Honor was so afraid of being sanctioned, why would it announce its chip design effort?
As if chip designing is that easy, let alone the main limiting factor here is manufacturing, I honestly don’t feel bad for ZEKU/xiaomi , their effort doesn’t worth a damn from the beginning
 

tonyget

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Huawei sold Honor for RMB 100B. And Huawei is able to keep HiSilicon alive.

If Honor was so afraid of being sanctioned, why would it announce its chip design effort?

At the time Huawei sold Honor,they had annual profit over RMB 1000B. 100B doesn't help Huawei much

As for the chip design. Firstly,announcement means nothing,there is alot of companies announce that they will design chips,but in the end most of that become empty slogan with no real result. Secondly,design chips doesn't automatically get sanctioned,Unisoc already sells 5G mobile chips,they are not sanctioned.
 

SanWenYu

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At the time Huawei sold Honor,they had annual profit over RMB 1000B. 100B doesn't help Huawei much
That's 100B for a dying business to Huawei.

As for the chip design. Firstly,announcement means nothing,there is alot of companies announce that they will design chips,but in the end most of that become empty slogan with no real result. Secondly,design chips doesn't automatically get sanctioned,Unisoc already sells 5G mobile chips,they are not sanctioned.
Then what's your point?
 

tonyget

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That's 100B for a dying business to Huawei.

For a gigantic company like Huawei,100B aren't going to make any difference between life and death. If they are dying,they will die;if they are not dying,they will not die.

Then what's your point?

It's an answer to your question. Your question was “If Honor was so afraid of being sanctioned, why would it announce its chip design effort?
 

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However, Counterpoint expects that Huawei HiSilicon will launch its own 5G chipset in the second half of 2023. It is expected that the "N+1" node of domestic factories equivalent to TSMC's 7nm will be adopted, but since the yield rate may be lower than 50%, it is expected that the shipment in 2023 will be around 2 million to 4 million. And it is mainly aimed at the mid-end market.

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However, Counterpoint expects that Huawei HiSilicon will launch its own 5G chipset in the second half of 2023. It is expected that the "N+1" node of domestic factories equivalent to TSMC's 7nm will be adopted, but since the yield rate may be lower than 50%, it is expected that the shipment in 2023 will be around 2 million to 4 million. And it is mainly aimed at the mid-end market.

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Bro, I'm waiting for Hisilicon 7nm chiplet, this will augment their product line with a high end cellphone.;)
 
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