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Eventine

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I think so. It's "win-win" for both,on one hand Western experts assess US sanction as a success,on the other hand it become the essential driver of Chinese semiconductor indigenization.

Just saw this new CSIS article. This is Western experts assessment "skeptical that Chinese equipment firms could supply even 5 percent of the market at the 28nm node within 3 years"

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I do however,agree with some of his views,such as these:
The views expressed in this article are one reason why US sanctions are being crafted in such a way as to degrade, rather than to destroy, China's ability to pursue high-end chips and AI. This isn't because of any mercy on the side of the US. Rather, it's because if the US imposed a blanket ban on selling chips to China, it would, from their perspective, create the incentive for all-of-society support for the Chinese chip industry over night. That is the key to getting Chinese equipment makers the resources they need to catch up.

All the while, foreign chip makers will suffer catastrophic revenue decline, US's international reputation will take a huge hit for trying to destroy China's economy, and its allies would have a much harder time following through both due to the negative effects on their own economies, as well as the reputation damage from crashing the global economy from secondary effects.

By pursuing the path of degrading China's capabilities, the US is able to avoid much of this fall out. And consequently I don't think the US is doing China any favors or that it's taking a stupid approach to export controls; rather this is the best course of action it can take if it wants to slow down China at all. The alternative - not doing anything - would, sure, result in China being dependent on foreign chips for the time being; but it'd also result in China achieving 4th industrial revolution capabilities faster than the West, which is not acceptable for the US because the US believes it is engaged in an existential race to the technological singularity, and that whoever reaches that first, will dominate the world.
 

tonyget

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The views expressed in this article are one reason why US sanctions are being crafted in such a way as to degrade, rather than to destroy, China's ability to pursue high-end chips and AI. This isn't because of any mercy on the side of the US. Rather, it's because if the US imposed a blanket ban on selling chips to China, it would, from their perspective, create the incentive for all-of-society support for the Chinese chip industry over night. That is the key to getting Chinese equipment makers the resources they need to catch up.

The US didn't impose blanket ban,is an attempt to achieve some degree of balance between pause China's technical progress and US firms commercial interest
 

Blitzo

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Let's keep the discussion of the thread relevant to the topic.

Given the video was indeed wide ranging in topic, there's no reason to use this thread to discuss the contents of the video. People can talk about it elsewhere if they wish.
 

dingyibvs

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they used to have 14nm and then replaced it with Finfet (because you know, they produce 7nm now & don't want the world to know where they are at)
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Frankly even if they get rid of Finfet there, it just means they are hiding things evne more

Can we not post these awful takes from Chinese social media?

They removed mention of sub 28nm process in order to deflect attention from itself. Also, why they no longer break down revenues for each of their JV companies
So uhhh, it's actually working. Can't be this easy can it?

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"Without access to advanced equipment and spare parts from suppliers like ASML, Applied Materials, KLA, and Lam Research, SMIC may be unable to build chips for its customers using its latest fabrication technologies, so it is reasonable to remove its 14nm platform from
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"SMIC has been using 14nm-class production techology since the end of 2019 at its SN1 facility. One of the 14nm SoCs the company produced is Huawei's HiSilicon Kirin 710A. However, despite technically being in mass production, it looks like 14nm volumes were so limited that the company stopped disclosing the revenue attributed to this node. Instead, it combined it with the earnings from the 28nm node, which has not been a significant revenue contributor either."
 

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So uhhh, it's actually working. Can't be this easy can it?

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"Without access to advanced equipment and spare parts from suppliers like ASML, Applied Materials, KLA, and Lam Research, SMIC may be unable to build chips for its customers using its latest fabrication technologies, so it is reasonable to remove its 14nm platform from
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"SMIC has been using 14nm-class production techology since the end of 2019 at its SN1 facility. One of the 14nm SoCs the company produced is Huawei's HiSilicon Kirin 710A. However, despite technically being in mass production, it looks like 14nm volumes were so limited that the company stopped disclosing the revenue attributed to this node. Instead, it combined it with the earnings from the 28nm node, which has not been a significant revenue contributor either."

Sometimes I can't tell when people are joking or not lol.

To clarify, are you suggesting that you think the tomshardware article's take is accurate?
 
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