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FairAndUnbiased

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If I'm BASF or Merck, I would prepare for a future without any Chinese customers. Every single time Bloomberg has published something to the effect of the U.S. [or ally] is considering/in talks about X anti China sanction, it ends up happening months later. By the time it makes it into the press there's a plan and intention in place. The German chemical industry has been world leading since the second industrial revolution of 1870-1914. The only question is, can China find domestic substitutes for what they are offering?
the problem of the chemical industry - particularly fine chemicals - is always finding customers, not production. you can produce even the most complex materials at large scale given energy, raw materials and money. The problem is getting sophisticated customers to buy it because there's no marketing tricks with fabs or refineries, they're all SMEs.
 

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Liancheng CNC: The technical appraisal of the third-generation semi-carbide powder synthesis furnace has reached the international leading level​


Liancheng CNC: The technical appraisal of the third-generation semi-carbide powder synthesis furnace has reached the international leading level
On April 10, China Nonferrous Metals Industry Association Zai Liancheng Kaikesi Technology Co., Ltd. (abbreviation: Liancheng CNC) organized an expert group to evaluate the scientific and technological achievements of the "Silicon Carbide Vertical Induction Synthesis Furnace" developed by it.
Experts agree that the silicon carbide powder synthesis equipment improves the quality of silicon carbide synthesis powder, increases the weight of a single synthesis, reduces unit energy consumption, and reduces manufacturing costs. It has promoted the upgrading of my country's silicon carbide high-end equipment. The project has independent intellectual property rights. More than ten patents have been declared. The overall technology has reached the international advanced level.

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tokenanalyst

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if you do not have anything to offer other than self pity, then please do not post on this thread.
The weird thing that the glass is never full or empty, on one side Chinese fabs and design houses don't want to have less options but in the other side Chinese bosses of equipment, materials, components and software companies they feel probably a bit thrilled that they have less competition for the same market, the FUD created by US export controls help them to promote the local use of their product and positioning themselves as the saviors, I would say is even a "patriotic marketing", if that is a thing. Companies are more willing to invest in production and R&D if they know that are going to get better returns.​
 

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The weird thing that the glass is never full or empty, on one side Chinese fabs and design houses don't want to have less options but in the other side Chinese bosses of equipment, materials, components and software companies they feel probably a bit thrilled that they have less competition for the same market, the FUD created by US export controls help them to promote the local use of their product and positioning themselves as the saviors, I would say is even a "patriotic marketing", if that is a thing. Companies are more willing to invest in production and R&D if they know that are going to get better returns.​

If we look at 2022 financial results of Chinese SME, we can see many of them, including the biggest ones, achieved >50% revenue increase, and Q1 2023 has started great.

This was unbelievable just few years ago and would had never been possible without the US threats. This gives the measure of how much short-sighted US policy is.

Since the 2018 Huawei ban under Trump, and continuation of the same policy by Biden administration (because neocons ruled US foreign policy then, and rule it even more now because current president just reads prepared scripts), US has literally enabled a diverse, healthy and strong Chinese SME market out of thin air. Well done US hawks! Chinese government would not have been able to do better.
 

MortyandRick

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Many chemicals and materials we use today were invented by Germany. Aspirin,nitrogen fertilizer,synthetic rubber,polyurethane etc.

Here is some story related to German chemical industry back in that period
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I'm not arguing that they were not world leading especially back then but what is their monopoly on key chemicals now? Are they still world leading in all chemicals? Or some small niches?
 
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