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PopularScience

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this guy is a perfect example of typical western expert.

he don't know how Chinese works. he should have read more about China and their philosophy.

SMEE will never announce DUVi development not even in 2023 as long as they don't satisfy with the product. we have countless examples in past. for example WS-15 first flight official announcement come after 18 months. Chinese are totally different.

SMEE's 28nm DUVi still under testing , evaluation and yet to enter in serial production.
I know this guy in chinese military forum and believe he is prc chinese. He post a lot of financial analysts of China semiconductor industry.
 

sunnymaxi

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I know this guy in chinese military forum and believe he is prc chinese. He post a lot of financial analysts of China semiconductor industry.
i m not saying this, he is not from PRC. but he behave like a western expert. always demand source and want official announcement and jump into every negative news of PRC. lol

if he is really from China then he should have known this. Chinese firms don't announce in advance. SMEE will never announce DUV officially until they satisfy with the product.
 

vincent

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this guy is a perfect example of typical western expert.

he don't know how Chinese works. he should have read more about China and their philosophy.

SMEE will never announce DUVi development not even in 2023 as long as they don't satisfy with the product. we have countless examples in past. for example WS-15 first flight official announcement come after 18 months. Chinese are totally different.

SMEE's 28nm DUVi still under testing , evaluation and yet to enter in serial production.
Not just how Chinese works. He doesn't know how corporations all over the world work, period. I wonder if he ever heard of the term "vendor of record"
 

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DPU producer Yusur Tech has released details on their 2nd generation K2 DPU. It uses 28 nm process and can support 200G broad band web
应用场景上可广泛适用于金融计算、高性能计算、数据中心、云原生、5G 边缘计算等场景,有望成为最快规模化落地应用的国产 DPU 芯片。
so it's used in financial computation, HPC, data centers, native cloud and 5G edge computation. Hopes to be the fastest mass deployed domestic DPU.

In the past year, it has gone through 3 round of financing.

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From september
目前中科驭数第三代DPU芯片研发迭代已经接近尾声,第二代DPU芯片K2今年初投片,预计于近期回片,这也是国内目前功能定义最完整的首颗DPU芯片。区别于大部分DPU厂商的FPGA加速卡方案,K2芯片具有成本更低、性能更优、功耗更小、自主可控性强的巨大优势。
said that development for 3rd gen DPU is coming to a close. 2nd gen DPU is already in production since start of the year and will be released soon. It considers it self to be the most complex DPU chip in China. Different from other DPU shops which use FPGA accelerator card solution.


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From here, looks like its DPU card (called SWIFT) has now gone through compatibility certification with Tencent Cloud. SWIFT is Yusuf's self developed network card. It has also gone through compatibility testing with Hygon, Kunpeng CPU + Euler, UOS and Kylin OS.
 

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There another issue with immersion lithography, ASML holds a lot of patents on immersion lithography in China and ASML China subsidiary has been establish as a Chinese company since 2000s. One famous patent of a ASML is the dual wafer stage which is one of the key technologies that have been develop for the SMEE current immersion tool and China future EUV tool, the maglev one. My guess depending on the situation ASML will try defend their IP portfolio.

-ASML stay, is allowed to sell immersion and SMEE try to entice ASML costumers: it could trigger a IP case. ASML could allow SMEE to sell to only selective costumers that can't buy from ASML.
-ASML stay, is not allowed to sell immersion and SMEE try to entice ASML costumers: ASML could reach an IP agreement with SMEE.
-ASML exit the Chinese market: Then is free for all or it could reach a IP agreement with SMEE for a fee.

I pure speculating here.
 
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virsuvei

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There another issue with immersion lithography, ASML holds a lot of patents on immersion lithography in China and ASML China subsidiary has been establish as a Chinese company since 2000s. One famous patent of a ASML is the dual wafer stage which is one of the key technologies that have been develop for the SMEE current immersion tool and China future EUV tool, the maglev one. My guess depending on the situation ASML will try defend their IP portfolio.

-ASML stay, is allowed to sell immersion and SMEE try to entice ASML costumers: it could trigger a IP case. ASML could allow SMEE to sell to only selective costumers that can't but from ASML.
-ASML stay, is not allowed to sell immersion and SMEE try to entice ASML costumers: ASML could reach an IP agreement with SMEE.
-ASML exit the Chinese market: Then is free for all or it could reach a IP agreement with SMEE for a fee.

I pure speculating here.
Normally patent laws in all countries are intended to promote the use of new technology, not prevent it. The patent holder must be willing to sell that equipment covered or willing to sell licenses to others. Failing to do that may permit others to ask in court the patent to be annulled. During wars it's normal that patents for companies in the other country will be declared void. A trade war is different but not necessarily fully so.
 

vincent

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There another issue with immersion lithography, ASML holds a lot of patents on immersion lithography in China and ASML China subsidiary has been establish as a Chinese company since 2000s. One famous patent of a ASML is the dual wafer stage which is one of the key technologies that have been develop for the SMEE current immersion tool and China future EUV tool, the maglev one. My guess depending on the situation ASML will try defend their IP portfolio.

-ASML stay, is allowed to sell immersion and SMEE try to entice ASML costumers: it could trigger a IP case. ASML could allow SMEE to sell to only selective costumers that can't buy from ASML.
-ASML stay, is not allowed to sell immersion and SMEE try to entice ASML costumers: ASML could reach an IP agreement with SMEE.
-ASML exit the Chinese market: Then is free for all or it could reach a IP agreement with SMEE for a fee.

I pure speculating here.
SMEE can also license the IP from ASML now
 
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