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BoraTas

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Any idea who is supplying chips to Russia from China? SMIC flat denied having any customer in Russia.

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Umm. No. SMIC is just a single company and the Russian electronics industry is fairly small. When I last looked they were producing just 1/600 of the world's electronics. They mostly serve the domestic industrial machinery and military equipment market. It is very easy for smaller fabs to cover Russia's needs.
 

gelgoog

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Are Hygon chips compatible with Loongson? If they are, Russia could import them instead.
I think Hygon's x86 license only applies for sales to China. Kommersant had a news item stating Loongson had been banned from being sold from Russia. But I am unsure if this was the general purpose versions or some military grade versions. Last I heard there was a Russian company buying Zhaoxin processors but have not heard of it since.

The Russians still continue buying Intel and AMD processors. There are just too many of them in the gray market for sanctions to work.
 

TK3600

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battlefield chips that actually run vehicles definitely don't need small node chips, the simple reason is that for most applications not involving big data (which also implies big storage, which implies big data throughput, which implies stationary datacenter on the ground) you just need to drive things around.

For consumer chips the big computational expense is graphics. A 4K screen has 8 million pixels, each pixel is RGB enabled, and usually RGB is minimum 24-bit color. At 60 refresh per second, that's 11.5 GB/s data transfer rate. That's a ton of data just to drive the screen. Not to render graphics on it... just to make it do anything at all.

What does a 4K screen driver chip require? 28-90 nm for smartphones, 110-130 nm for TVs. Dirt cheap for TVs, still moderately cheap for smartphones.

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Imagine what you can do with 11.5 GB/s of data transfer capability and a ~1.5-2 GHz core (early 2000's Intel, 130 nm process). How much data can you store, manage and display on a medium resolution display for trained pilots? Do pilots need to be playing Crysis or something on max graphics? No, but they do need to not fall out of the sky to random cosmic rays.
Why cant these new chip just be protected by covers resisting radiations?
 

tokenanalyst

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Jinhong Gas: The company has planned 5 high-purity hydrogen manufacturing bases, with a total production capacity of over 100 million standard cubic meters per year​


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Jiweiwang news (article/Yang Yanrou) On December 19, Jinhong Gas stated on the investor interaction platform that the company has planned 5 high-purity hydrogen manufacturing bases, with a total production capacity of over 100 million standard cubic meters per year.

Jinhong Gas said that hydrogen energy application scenarios account for a small proportion of the company's hydrogen revenue at present, which mainly comes from supplying hydrogen to more than a dozen hydrogen refueling stations or skid-mounted stations inside automobiles across the country. With the rapid development of the hydrogen energy industry, this business There is a wide space.

According to the data, Jinhong Gas is the only comprehensive gas company that entered the 2022 smart manufacturing demonstration plant. The company is positioned as a comprehensive gas service provider with rich products and various supply modes, which can provide customers with comprehensive gas solutions; after years of development, the company has accumulated a large number of talents and technologies, and has formed a good reputation in the corresponding business area; At the same time, the company has precise positioning and firm execution in terms of market development and service provision.

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tokenanalyst

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Why cant these new chip just be protected by covers resisting radiations?
Is more than just radiation hardening, complexity is the enemy of reliability. This complex GPUs are good for a datacenter when you can put a lot of them in parallel. if one fail no problemo the other ones take care of it, for critical applications, military, avionics and automobile, reliability is king. no pilot is going to trust its guts on a consumer grade GPS and there is many ways a GPU as complex as Nvidia ones can fail.
Nvidia has been trying to brand their Jetson GPUs for the military and aviation industry because the portable AI capabilities, IDK man having a GPU system crashing when trying to evade AAM missiles is not good for anyone blood pressure.

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FairAndUnbiased

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Why cant these new chip just be protected by covers resisting radiations?
what resists radiation?

The relevant radiation that causes compute errors are gamma rays and cosmic rays.

Gamma rays are high intensity and require shielding by 2 meters of concrete to reduce intensity by a factor of 1 billion.

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Cosmic rays are much less intense and less diverse but extremely penetrating: to shield proton-like cosmic rays you need a wall of 40 cm of pure iron to reduce cosmic ray intensity to 10% of original.

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Chip package dimensions are measured in millimeters. Do you see the problem? To shield a 1 mm2 chip, you need to put it inside a ball of pure iron 1 meter wide.
 
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