When you put bean counter like Rees-Mogg as Secretary for Industry Strategy, I wont expect much.
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no, they don't have lithography for sure, and I don't think they have inspection. But you can build a Japanese only fab.
good point. BTW, could you tell me what kind accent is that?Seriously, this is an irreversible long-term trend. It is the US that has made American kids think of STEM as "nerdy" or "uncool". Up till recently, US had been relying on importing STEM talents to fill the gap. But that is becoming unsustainable in recent years. When politicians talking about re-shoring supply chain, I don't think they have an inkling about human factors.
I partially agree but differ on both the enrollment cause and the emphasis on overall numbers. I think plenty of people in the West would do STEM, if it paid well for the effort. Unfortunately, out of the STEM categories most companies/intuitions don't value them within their native fields outside of technology/engineering, and even that is heavily software skewed. Unsurprisingly, many of the people I graduated with gravitated to coding at an internet company even if they enjoy say, mechatronics or electrical engineering simply because it pays the bills better. And the same for people who do graduate degrees and are interested in their field but instead end up working at banks crunching numbers because it pays better. The incentives have to match the effort required, regardless of which country. If companies want people to be interested in core STEM like the jobs that @FairAndUnbiased perform, they have to pay up. If companies are going to treat you like crap and life is expensive, why bother putting in all that effort and just do something you enjoy (another issue all together). Most western parent's I know want their kids to get higher education.
Developing countries have more people going into STEM not only only due to an emphasis on education but also because due to their developing economies, there simply are not many options for success. It's not like jobs in finance, tertiary services, law, etc are floating around in quantities to soak up people so you gotta choose the best pathway for success. As economies grow it expands the options for a quality life, just look at China. I have friends who's relatives in China say being a live streamer or esports player is the dream nowadays for many kids, just like that for alot of kids in the west. As people get a high quality of life, they expect more. So if countries and companies want more people to go through the grind for STEM, they should improve the compensation factors to reward it.
They need implanters, thermal activation tools, litho tools, chemical mechanical polishing tools and probably other tools also.
There's also the important fact that many scientists and academics endure pretty awful treatment for what they are expected to do. It's not any secret that many academics are overworked and paid what is essentially starvation wages relative to cost of living, which further disincentivises people from pursuing a STEM education. It's not a good look when the people responsible for conducting important research are one missed paycheck away from starvation.
Seriously, this is an irreversible long-term trend. It is the US that has made American kids think of STEM as "nerdy" or "uncool". Up till recently, US had been relying on importing STEM talents to fill the gap. But that is becoming unsustainable in recent years. When politicians talking about re-shoring supply chain, I don't think they have an inkling about human factors.
That is so true. In China, leading scientists and technologists are not only respected but also revered, and enjoy very high social status. Skilled technicians are respected. Nobody makes fun of someone who is skilled in doing some real stuff. But in US, kids are mocked or sometimes even bullies being good at STEM, while the society at large no longer has the capacity of appreciating what it takes to get real stuff done.
Just look at the World Skills blue collar job competitions. Chinese teams frequently win and even blue collar welders, machinists, etc are respected in China, while in some countries they're looked down on as 'deplorables'.
Quite funny. The reason why the application system is introduced was the over-representation of Jews in top American schools. They partially decoupled academic success from university admission to not admit "too many" Jews. Then they realized it was a bad idea to not have any standardized exams and introduced the SAT, which made standardized tests an important part of the admission process again. This way they could both gauge success and avoid admitting "too many" Jews. Now they are ditching standardized tests again to "prevent racism". LOL
Don't forget LAM Research one of the most important companies in the chip supply chain.
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