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FriedButter

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sunnymaxi said:
no need to reply. not everyone can understand the philosophy of China. how Chinese system works.

according to him, likes and number of followers can determine the credibility of news. LAMOOOOO :p
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If China told him that staring at the sun would make him blind. He would stare at it to prove China wrong.

Also, it’s not like Western Media hasn’t reported on the 28nm DUV either. Basically his intentionally covering his eyes and plugging his ears alongside the nose holes to.
 
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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
Chips war is as much as political war as a technological war. Unless China can convince other nations to ignore US long arm juridiction, US will find one way or another to ban/block other nations from buying Chinese product.

Lets assume China did manage to make all high end chips fully indegenously but apart from Chinese market will they be able to sell to other nations? US can simply ban an equipment running on western software that have Chinese Chips.
Lets say China masteres both hardware & software aspect of those product but US can still impose sanction on that company on the basis of human rights abuse and sanction any other nation and their company that buys those product.
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Good luck sanctioning countries for buying Chinese toasters and fridges.

At some point everyone gets tired of a spoilt kid's tantrums and ignoring them is usually the most potent weapon.

Applying secondary sanctions on anyone buying products containing Chinese chips would mean stopping all trade because what doesn't have chips nowadays ?

They are free to isolate themselves but stopping countries from trading with the world's largest trading nation should not even cross their minds. That would be pushing their luck too far
 
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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
Chips war is as much as political war as a technological war. Unless China can convince other nations to ignore US long arm juridiction, US will find one way or another to ban/block other nations from buying Chinese product.

Lets assume China did manage to make all high end chips fully indegenously but apart from Chinese market will they be able to sell to other nations? US can simply ban an equipment running on western software that have Chinese Chips.
Lets say China masteres both hardware & software aspect of those product but US can still impose sanction on that company on the basis of human rights abuse and sanction any other nation and their company that buys those product.
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We already saw that with Huawei which was at least 2 years ahead of ericsson and nokia in terms of tech. The west was willing to rip out its network, and literally use a inferior product than let China gain more market share. Tech decoupling will eventually split the world into two competing technological spheres. China's biggest/richest export market could be Russia. But who knows what the Russian economy will look like in 5-10 years.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
We already saw that with Huawei which was at least 2 years ahead of ericsson and nokia in terms of tech. The west was willing to rip out its network, and literally use a inferior product than let China gain more market share. Tech decoupling will eventually split the world into two competing technological spheres. China's biggest/richest export market could be Russia. But who knows what the Russian economy will look like in 5-10 years.
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You think the biggest export market China will have is Russia?
 
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But siege, Franklin is still unconvinced. Whatever are we to do? :rolleyes:
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sunnymaxi said:
no need to reply. not everyone can understand the philosophy of China. how Chinese system works.

according to him, likes and number of followers can determine the credibility of news. LAMOOOOO :p
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FriedButter said:
If China told him that staring at the sun would make him blind. He would stare at it to prove China wrong.

Also, it’s not like Western Media hasn’t reported on the 28nm DUV either. Basically his intentionally covering his eyes and plugging his ears alongside the nose holes to.
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Here is a more convincing source for you. SMEE is dependent on multiple domestic suppliers to make its 28nm DUV machines. One of them is Beijing GuoWang Optics Co., Ltd. to make the optical system for the DUV machines. And they haven't opent their foundry yet! That will only open in september 2023.

Another company that SMEE depend on is Beijing RSLaser Opto-Electronics Technology Co., Ltd. for the light source. Their light source is only 40W 4kHz ArF that need to be 60W 6kHz ArF to get to ASML 1980Di standard. They have a lot of work to do too.

So 2025 is probably the earliest that a wholly domestic DUV machine can come from SMEE.

Unless SMEE has found foreign sources for these things so that they can produce the DUV machines now. But I can't find anything on that.

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