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WTAN

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Hi WTAN,

WOW !!! How many FABS is under construction for Huawei? Aside from this one there is one in Shanghai, Dongguan and another in Beijing. Gov't should support Huawei instead of wasting resources to Tsinghua Unigroup.
I think Huawei may have decided to use Wuhan as their main base for Chip Manufacturing. Centralising their FABs in a single location will allow them to get economies of scale and lower costs of production.

This looks like the 45nm FAB.
I am certain they will build a parallel 22nm/28nm Production line in the same building.
Later on a 14nm Line when the equipment is available.

They may have R&D Labs in other cities.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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I think Huawei may have decided to use Wuhan as their main base for Chip Manufacturing. Centralising their FABs in a single location will allow them to get economies of scale and lower costs of production.

This looks like the 45nm FAB.
I am certain they will build a parallel 22nm/28nm Production line in the same building.
Later on a 14nm Line when the equipment is available.

They may have R&D Labs in other cities.
That is wonderful news.
 

ansy1968

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I think Huawei may have decided to use Wuhan as their main base for Chip Manufacturing. Centralising their FABs in a single location will allow them to get economies of scale and lower costs of production.

This looks like the 45nm FAB.
I am certain they will build a parallel 22nm/28nm Production line in the same building.
Later on a 14nm Line when the equipment is available.

They may have R&D Labs in other cities.
Hi WTAN,

Question, as I said earlier that TSMC will invest another FAB in China if SMEE had successfully develop it's EUVL, will they? Will TSMC be comfortable working with SMEE, I said this knowing the partnership with ASML is solid, together they had become giant in the industry by working together and developing new tools.
 
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I think Huawei may have decided to use Wuhan as their main base for Chip Manufacturing. Centralising their FABs in a single location will allow them to get economies of scale and lower costs of production.

This looks like the 45nm FAB.
I am certain they will build a parallel 22nm/28nm Production line in the same building.
Later on a 14nm Line when the equipment is available.

They may have R&D Labs in other cities.

Are you sure this is the 45nm fab? The reporting on this suggests this is for compound semiconductors and optical components, not MOSFET or FinFET where a nm usage makes sense.
 
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Simply because that would be a waste of ammo.

If a company cannot compete, it disappears due to natural evolution.
Besides, why attack Taiwan when its inevitable they'll be sucked in? China's holds the cards for Taiwan's economy, not to mention the strong hold and influence on the Taiwanese security and intelligence establishment. Whether in 10 years or 100 years, China can wait.
 

WTAN

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Are you sure this is the 45nm fab? The reporting on this suggests this is for compound semiconductors and optical components, not MOSFET or FinFET where a nm usage makes sense.
The article says only part of the FAB will be used for the manufacture of Optical Components.
The rest of the FAB will definitely be used for the 45nm Production line.
There are also many articles in this Forum that mention Huawei has a 45nm FAB under construction.
Its unlikely that Huawei will spend huge amounts of money to build a FAB to only produce Optical Components.
Huawei's priority is still to produce 45nm, 28nm and 14nm Chips for its own use.
 
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The article says only part of the FAB will be used for the manufacture of Optical Components.
The rest of the FAB will definitely be used for the 45nm Production line.
There are also many articles in this Forum that mention Huawei has a 45nm FAB under construction.
Its unlikely that Huawei will spend huge amounts of money to build a FAB to only produce Optical Components.
Huawei's priority is still to produce 45nm, 28nm and 14nm Chips for its own use.

You can still have a fab for optical components. The only source I've seen for the Huawei fab is the Financial Times. 45/28/14 would be great; is there any other source outside of the Global Times that mentions the SMEE ArFi?
 

WTAN

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Hi WTAN,

Question, as I said earlier that TSMC will invest another FAB in China if SMEE had successfully develop it's EUVL, will they? Will TSMC be comfortable working with SMEE, I said this knowing the partnership with ASML is solid, together they had become giant in the industry by working together and developing new tools.
Yes TSMC has a solid partnership and investment/ownership in ASML. That is why the Japanese will never be able to build a EUVL on its own as all the major FABs will only buy ASML products.

I think when the time comes and China develops its own EUVL, that is what TSMC will do as they are still interested in the China market. The US is slowly restricting the business scope of TSMC and forcing it to mainly FAB for American companies like Qualcomm etc.

Of course it is also up to the Chinese to decide whether they want to sell a EUVL to TSMC as it is sensitive technology.
 

ansy1968

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Hi WTAN,

The US is slowly restricting the business scope of TSMC and forcing it to mainly FAB for American companies like Qualcomm etc.

The victim of it's owned success, If TSMC really do focus on American company not only they sign their own death warrant. The US will squeezed them dry if they ever try to deviate from American policy.

Of course it is also up to the Chinese to decide whether they want to sell a EUVL to TSMC as it is sensitive technology.

Even if the SMEE EUVL will be place in China, I'm saying this cause TSMC is a factor in ASML ascendance, it may replicate it with SMEE if they work together for the Chinese market.
 
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Veteran engineers and high-level executives are leaving top US chip design toolmakers for Chinese rivals as Beijing seeks to break America’s near monopoly on this key segment of the semiconductor industry.

Three Chinese start-ups established since September last year were founded by or have hired executives and engineers from Synopsys and Cadence Design Systems of the US, the world’s two biggest makers of electronic design automation (EDA) tools, as such software is known.

The start-ups include Nanjing-based X-Epic, Shanghai Hejian Industrial Software and Hefei-based Advanced Manufacturing EDA Co, or Amedac, in which Synopsys owns a stake.

The push to recruit US chip tool talent comes as Washington’s crackdown on Huawei Technologies exposes key weaknesses in China’s chipmaking ecosystem, including in EDA tools, which are used to design integrated circuits, printed circuit boards and other electronic systems.

The US has long dominated the segment, with Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor Graphics and Ansys controlling 90 per cent of the global market for EDA tools. Mentor was taken over by Siemens in 2017 but maintains extensive research and development operations in the US. These four companies own much of the intellectual property needed for chip development and count the world’s top chip developers as clients, including Apple, Samsung, Qualcomm, Nvidia, Micron and Huawei.

China’s own EDA tools industry, by contrast, has been largely neglected until recently. Its two main homegrown companies, state-owned Empyrean Software, founded in 2009, and Beijing-based Cellixsoft, in 2002, are still unable to match the offerings of Synopsys and Cadence. Jinan-based Primarius Technologies, founded by a former senior Cadence executive in 2010, is likewise still struggling to catch up to its US rivals.

A wake-up call came last year when the US Department of Commerce banned Huawei, the world’s biggest telecoms equipment maker, from receiving software updates and technical support from American EDA tool makers without US approval.

This move sharply curtailed the capability of Huawei’s chip design arm, HiSilicon Technologies, as close co-operation with EDA tool providers is essential given the increasing complexity of chipmaking processes, and spurred China to act.

“We are seeing more and more people who previously worked with big US chip design tool companies joining start-ups because they think it’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,” said a source from a China-based chip developer and Synopsys client. “Previously very few people would want to start up a chip design tool company because it’s a very niche market already dominated by huge players, but now they see growing customer demands for local software in China for the very first time.”

That new demand has led to the launch of at least three start-ups.

X-Epic, based in Nanjing, was founded in March by Wang Libin, a former vice general manager at Synopsys China, according to company data. TC Lin, former vice-president of Cadence with more than 30 years’ experience in EDA tools, joined the company as its chief scientist on August 3.

X-Epic announced in November that Tiyen Yen, another Cadence veteran, would join the company as vice-president of R&D.

Shanghai Hejian Industrial Software, founded in May, hired a high-ranking, China-based R&D executive from Synopsys in late October, according to two sources familiar with the matter. The executive worked for the US company for nearly two decades, they said.

Shanghai Hejian Industrial Software is backed by the state-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of Shanghai Municipal Government and renowned Chinese venture capital firm Summitview Capital, according to online disclosures by the company.

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To be continued...
 
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