Chinese semiconductor industry

Status
Not open for further replies.

WTAN

Junior Member
Registered Member
Does Huawei has mastered 28nm production?
If Huawei produces the 28nm Chips in its own FAB this year, it means Huawei is moving faster than many expected.
Huawei has already completed its own 45nm FAB which is equiped with the SMEE 45nm or 65nm Dry Lithographs.
Remember that China has already completed the development of a localised 28nm Production line.
Huawei can actually now produce 22nm/28nm Chips using its 45nm or 65nm DUVL with Multiple Patterning.
It would just have to build up a parallel 28nm Production line.
Of course Huawei can also wait till next year when it gets the SMEE 28nm Immerssion DUVL before producing the 28nm Chips. The cost of production will be less next year.
It depends on whether Huawei has the strategic patience to wait a little longer.
 

WTAN

Junior Member
Registered Member
Yangtze Memory gets 80% of its chip equipment from the US and japan. Thats not a good thing.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


And ChangXin Memory has problems with Micron. And i bet that it also depends on US tech.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Yangtze Memory has slowed down its FAB build up mainly due to some Financial Issues and also retooling with local equipment.
Yangtze Memory is also aware that placing huge orders for American Equipment which could be scrap metal if it is sanctioned is not a wise move.
Remember that Yangtze Memory only uses the 22nm process in producing its Chips, so it is now currently in the process of verifying local equipment and placing large orders with local manufacturers.
It has also placed an order for the SMEE 28nm DUVL and is awaiting delivery.
This is the real reason for the delays.
 

quantumlight

Junior Member
Registered Member
Seems like Google is now blocking Kirin processors


For years I have manually downloaded .apk of Google Maps and other apps to install by hand. In recent weeks I noticed for the very first time when now trying to install the latest/newer versions of Google Maps app via apk it now says not compatible with the phone processor/CPU, whereas previous versions of the exact same app/apk on the same phone have no such issue. Now the app refused to even start the install process itself...

I tested these newer Google apk apps on a much much older Samsung phone and it installed perfectly with non such issues nor error prompt/messages. I also tested these new apps on different Huawei devices including Huawei P30, P20, P40 etc and they were all blocked from installation due to "incompatible CPU/processor"

I think Google isnt happy that Huawei is working on its own OS, app store, and Huawei Maps.....


et tu ebay??

Screenshot_20201201_070119_com.duckduckgo.mobile.android.jpg
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
Similar to YMTC. They use the 20nm process so shouldnt be affected.
Eventually these companies will switch over to SMEE DUVL and Local Equipment.
This will make them immune to US Sanctions.
Hi WTAN,

Why not select would be champion instead of investing in multiple FABS? Tsinghua Unigroup should be investigated for fraud.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Is it possible that the Huawei 28nm OLED driver chip was made by a third party foundry (i.e. TSMC, SMIC?)?

Though if that were the case, then they should have been taped out months before, and be in production already (since 28nm should be pretty mature, and it probably wouldn't take HiSilicon that long to design a 28nm chip).
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Is it possible that the Huawei 28nm OLED driver chip was made by a third party foundry (i.e. TSMC, SMIC?)?

Though if that were the case, then they should have been taped out months before, and be in production already (since 28nm should be pretty mature, and it probably wouldn't take HiSilicon that long to design a 28nm chip).

It takes at least 18 months for tapeout. The minimum time to design a chip and produce it is like 2-3 years.
The production cycles are that long. Not a lot you can do to rush things. This has been the case for decades.

CPU designers like AMD or Intel typically have 2-3 design teams. They have a small team doing high level design of the chip in two generations, another huge team doing the actual design of the next chip, and a third mid-sized team working on die-shrinks of an existing chip design. They work in an overlapped function and that is how you get a new chip every year in tick-tock style where you have a new design on an existing process followed by a die shrink of that design on a new process. They never do both at the same time since it is highly risky. If the project fails, the fabs won't have anything to produce and it will be a bugbear to find the problems.

There are lots of companies which can manufacture in 28nm. For example SMIC, Shanghai Huali, TSMC, UMC, GlobalFoundries, and many more. Too many to list. So many you could likely manufacture the chips under the table and few people would notice.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top