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ansy1968

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I am concerned that your sources are revealing too much information. I'm OK with public info, but some of this is shining a light on targets for America to attack. For example, the CAA FET DRAM briefly mentioned appeared to be still in research until you mentioned Swaysure actually working on what sounds like at least prototypes of this. If this CAA FET IGZO DRAM is a thing, it would catapult Huawei into the DRAM market with competitive density, power and performance. It's proprietary tech that would normally only be known about from industrial espionage. Be mindful of what should and shouldn't be said.



Your source is revealing connections to Huawei and basically making targets for the Americans to attack. Everybody knows America has gone full kamakazi. Let's at least not help them while they are at it. Reveal only public info, or reveal new info after it no longer matters.
Noted and appreciate bro, I'm not trying to be a smart aleck BUT you should PM me and the info are public knowledge anyway, PWX and Swaysure had already been posted by @tokenanalyst .

Swaysure news on IGZO is old newshttp://www.icsmart.cn/54049/
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6月22日消息,近期在深圳新成立的DRAM厂商昇维旭技术公司(SwaySure),在宣布前尔必达社长、紫光集团高级副总裁坂本幸雄出任首席战略官之前,就挖来了前台积电厂长刘晓强担任CEO。而最新的消息显示,昇维旭将自建…
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Noted and appreciate bro, I'm not trying to be a smart aleck BUT you should PM me and the info are public knowledge anyway, PWX and Swaysure had already been posted by @tokenanalyst .

Swaysure news on IGZO is old
Noted. However, keep in mind the wording your source used, as I detail below...

all these fabs are actively recruiting. My customers and myself included were all recruited and from the exchange it’s clear all these outfit are either Huawei incognito, backed by Huawei, or at the very least with main purpose on supporting Huawei. The connection to Huawei is undeniable and significant.

with their relationship to Huawei coming to light, I don’t know how this will impact their existing effort to procure western equipments. That’s a concern.
Your source is practically putting a bullseye on these "incognito" outfits. I just read a message from somebody here talking about how the American led West retain their leadership as some sort of ruthless paranoid Machiavellianism. I have a very different take on this. I believe we are dealing with psychopaths, ideologically indoctrinated over good and evil. They only see things in black and white and will literally go full retard because their beliefs are based in religious type fervor. Remember it well because when push comes to shove, they will start black ops and do crazy stuff like assassinations of civilian technical workers, high level managers and engineer "accidents" at key factories. This is the level they will go to, they've done it many times in their history. Semiconductor sanctions is only the symptom of their psychological problems. If it wasn't about semiconductors, rockets, or whatever...it would be something else. Even their "experts" can't think straight because they're so hobbled by their ideology. Just saying, always be on your toes because these people base their policies on pure nonsense.
 

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Here we go....

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They also included BGI genomics (!!) and DJI, but it seems practical effects are at the moment not so big "The list bars buying or selling publicly traded securities in target companies."

I'm afraid this is just the appetizer, no semiconductor company included and the bans are only financial...so waiting for the second shot.
 

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They also included BGI genomics (!!) and DJI, but it seems practical effects are at the moment not so big "The list bars buying or selling publicly traded securities in target companies."

I'm afraid this is just the appetizer, no semiconductor company included and the bans are only financial...so waiting for the second shot.

Just ban all US companies.
 

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Your source is practically putting a bullseye on these "incognito" outfits. I just read a message from somebody here talking about how the American led West retain their leadership as some sort of ruthless paranoid Machiavellianism. I have a very different take on this. I believe we are dealing with psychopaths, ideologically indoctrinated over good and evil. They only see things in black and white and will literally go full retard because their beliefs are based in religious type fervor. Remember it well because when push comes to shove, they will start black ops and do crazy stuff like assassinations of civilian technical workers, high level managers and engineer "accidents" at key factories. This is the level they will go to, they've done it many times in their history. Semiconductor sanctions is only the symptom of their psychological problems. If it wasn't about semiconductors, rockets, or whatever...it would be something else. Even their "experts" can't think straight because they're so hobbled by their ideology. Just saying, always be on your toes because these people base their policies on pure nonsense.

Sorry to ask, but do you have some first hand experience working in US or knowledge of US?

What you write is very though. For instance I don't live in US and although I've been there, I cannot push my judgment beyond a certain threshold because this would require to live there and have first hand experience of this kind of (hopefully minority) US mentality.
 

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They also included BGI genomics (!!) and DJI, but it seems practical effects are at the moment not so big "The list bars buying or selling publicly traded securities in target companies."

I'm afraid this is just the appetizer, no semiconductor company included and the bans are only financial...so waiting for the second shot.
DJI is already blacklisted in 2021 but mostly are investment Ban. means will not traded publicly in American stock exchanges.

this year Chinese stocks raise record capital globally. so DJI will easily traded in mainland or Hong Kong SE.
 

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They also included BGI genomics (!!) and DJI, but it seems practical effects are at the moment not so big "The list bars buying or selling publicly traded securities in target companies."

I'm afraid this is just the appetizer, no semiconductor company included and the bans are only financial...so waiting for the second shot.
It seems like that America is under the wrong impression that China can't develop its industries and technologies without American technical or financial inputs.

Or maybe this is just a kneejerk reaction and they don't know what else to do.
 

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I read a bloomberg article about this company
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and they really bend backwards trying not to admit that maybe, i don't know, they are getting their semiconductor fabrication equipment from local players, that there are more companies outside the U.S. supplying this kind of equipment, that market share doesn't always mean uniqueness but the trust that your client have on you as supplier and that the heavens forbids that the "national security experts" in D.C. as always got it all wrong.​
 

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The revenue of SMIC's SN fab in first half of the year is USD 800 million. Assume sales price of single 14nm wafer is USD 4,000, the output estimated is close to 35,000 wafers per month. If we take 7nm into consideration, it safe to say the output is close to 30,000 wafers per month.

Also, the biggest customer of SMIC's 14nm process is Phytium.

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Bro, if you have the link to SN revenue, could you pm me?

I looked up their Q2 earnings presentation. They don't really break things down there. I just see that their revenue went up a lot from 2021 Q2 to 2022 Q2 without a lot of addition wafer capacity, so SMIC is obviously moving to more advanced nodes.
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SMIC but have quite a few 14nm customers, because my calculation is that current demand from Phytium is only about 1000 wafers per month. 1000 wafer * 250 dies/wafer = 250000 chips/month -> 3 million per year of D2000/E2000 chips. Maybe they are stocking up quite a bit of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are at 30k wpm or even higher now (just because last report from 2021 was 15k wpm I think? and SN2 factory construction was still ongoing at start of this year), but my guess is they were probably closer to 20k at start of this year. So, if they averaged about 25k wpm in first 6 months and 14 nm is 4k per wafer and N+1 is 8k per wafer (their N+1 is probably between 7 and 10 nm technology). 100k 14nm wafers and 50k N+1 wafers would be $800 million. I think they've really started to mass produce N+1 chips already. Waiting to hear announcements from Phytium, Zhaoxin and other firms.

I think by the end of this year, maybe they can be producing 15k 14nm wpm and 20k N+1 wpm. And once HLMC/ICRD start 14nm production, SMIC probably will slowly move off 14nm as their clients request more advanced processes.
 
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