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european_guy

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South Korea's reliance on Chinese semiconductor raw materials has surged over the past five years
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Quite impressive the doubling of silicon wafers imports since last year, from 6% to 10%.

It could mean (1) Chinese silicon wafer capacity greatly increased (2) wafer quality increased a lot too
 

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This might be a problem in a couple of years. It seems like the Chinese automakers really haven't learnt their lesson. Does seem like Nvidia Thor is going to be a huge bump incapability over Orin (256 TOPS). I'm actually not sure you need 2000 TOPS of performance really. But that's where things are at. It's up to Chinese chip designers to match this. Journey 5 was at 128 TOPS. So, Journey 6 imo needs to hit 1000 TOPS to really be competitive.

Of course, we know BYD is designing it's own chip. I'm sure Huawei will have something also. Keep in mind that this is a growing market. A complicated soc like this might be a few thousand dollars. Imo, just another industry that SMIC will need to support.
Designing a new vehicle with the desired components needs a long lead time. Companies can't switch important BOM like the AI chips on a whim. The software need to be written for new chips. Give it some time before Chinese vehicle makers switch to domestic chips. I'm sure they are working furiously on it.
 

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South Korea's reliance on Chinese semiconductor raw materials has surged over the past five years
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It is not surprising then as to why - this being an important reason for it - despite supposedly having the most anti-China President since Park Chung He, that South Korea's government and power elites are very cautious and rational with regards to their relations with China.
 

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Designing a new vehicle with the desired components needs a long lead time. Companies can't switch important BOM like the AI chips on a whim. The software need to be written for new chips. Give it some time before Chinese vehicle makers switch to domestic chips. I'm sure they are working furiously on it.
Don't give them excuses. Zeekr plan here is to launch this car in 2025. If they cannot figure out a way to use domestic chip in 3 years, they don't deserve to stay in business.

In all of byd announcement, there is only a one year lead time to putting auto CPU on their car model.
 

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This might be a problem in a couple of years. It seems like the Chinese automakers really haven't learnt their lesson. Does seem like Nvidia Thor is going to be a huge bump incapability over Orin (256 TOPS). I'm actually not sure you need 2000 TOPS of performance really. But that's where things are at. It's up to Chinese chip designers to match this. Journey 5 was at 128 TOPS. So, Journey 6 imo needs to hit 1000 TOPS to really be competitive.

Of course, we know BYD is designing it's own chip. I'm sure Huawei will have something also. Keep in mind that this is a growing market. A complicated soc like this might be a few thousand dollars. Imo, just another industry that SMIC will need to support.


The latter part is great. It shows how much the Russian/Ukraine conflict has turned China into dominant position in the noble gas market.
oh shit, I think Geely has been doing SOC for their car brand? they announced their 7nm auto chip... 7 months ago
 

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Bipartisan group urges US blacklist for ‘Beijing-directed’ chipmaker​

Leading members of Congress raise alarm over YMTC after allegations of co-operation with Huawei .
Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington 14 HOURS AGO
Top US lawmakers are urging the Biden administration to put Chinese semiconductor company Yangtze Memory Technologies Co on a blacklist for allegedly violating export controls by supplying Huawei.
Democratic Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer told the Financial Times that he was concerned about a report, obtained by the FT, that showed YMTC has provided Nand memory chips for the Mate Xs 2, the new flagship foldable phone from Huawei, the Chinese telecoms equipment giant.
“This report is extremely troubling and further underscores the need for the administration to act swiftly to add YMTC to the entity list,” Schumer said, in a reference to the commerce department blacklist that effectively bars US companies from selling technology to groups on the list.
 

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If YMTC really sold storage to Huawei it means they were expecting sanctions and prepared for them anyway. Which is a good sign for the Chinese semi industry overall. Even here we all know the US will sanction all competitive Chinese technology corporations.
 

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South Korea's reliance on Chinese semiconductor raw materials has surged over the past five years
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People don't realize but for all the talk of cutting off China from oil, China has more fundamental advantages in raw materials and refined materials, such as rare earths, ammonia (fertilizer precursor), tungsten (used as gate metal, electron source filament, plating for refractory UHV components, and these are just semiconductor uses), xenon, etc.

Combined with Russia which has a dominance in oil, food, neon, nickel, titanium, etc and it becomes questionable as to exactly who is the most economically resilient.
 

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Chinese companies can't sell to Chinese companies??? This is pure bullying. If I buy something and paid for it,then it becomes my property. In which world are we living in?? China must do all it can to become semiconductor self sufficient. One can understand if those blacklistings are from UN or WTO.
 
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