Apple will not and cannot do any such thing. It's going to be made in China for everyone.
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More will probably come out on this but apparently MLCommons tested results with a lot of new Hardware and both BR100 with Inspur server and Alibaba's Panjiu server were tested.
Now, I have to say that I don't quite understand what this is showing so far. BR104 did have the highest number for offline samples in the two columns that were listed. I'm guessing that's the measurement to use? So from what I can see, even 8 BR104 is better than 8 A100. So 8 BR100 will be 3 or 4 times as good and about same as H100.
If you click on the open tab, you will see the number for Panjiu/Yitian-710. They are not showing the highest numbers, but the other ones use AI accelerators. So, Panjiu did very well for a non AI server chip that does not use AI accelerators.
but seeing a post on this
seems like some people are already getting concerned
Again, the test result is with BR104 (because that's the only one they have in production and testing with customers right now). Inspur AI accelerator card with 8x BR100 should be able to double these numbers.
Now, I have to say that I don't quite understand what this is showing so far. BR104 did have the highest number for offline samples in the two columns that were listed. I'm guessing that's the measurement to use? So from what I can see, even 8 BR104 is better than 8 A100. So 8 BR100 will be 3 or 4 times as good and about same as H100.
If you click on the open tab, you will see the number for Panjiu/Yitian-710. They are not showing the highest numbers, but the other ones use AI accelerators. So, Panjiu did very well for a non AI server chip that does not use AI accelerators.
but seeing a post on this
seems like some people are already getting concerned
Again, this is aimed at AI clouds (hence cooperation with Baidu Cloud and China Mobile) and private data centers (hence cooperation with Inspur and ping an)
Again, the test result is with BR104 (because that's the only one they have in production and testing with customers right now). Inspur AI accelerator card with 8x BR100 should be able to double these numbers.
They are many using Chinese parts. But what is the % of the total? They are still using a lot of Japanese and South Korean parts, as diversification.
Unless their fab and/or R&D lab is physically inside China, it is only Chinese on paper.
The most interesting part of that story to me was where MLCommons, a US independent group, verified the claims of Biren that their latest GPU bested Nvidia's A100.
Biren was only founded as late as 2019. That is absolutely insane progress.
Actually, the interesting part is that they used BR104 here and they are already able to work with Inspur to create an accelerator card with 8 BR104s that leads the world. That's tremendous progress since Biren only just signed cooperation with Inspur a month ago. Who knows if the CPU they used here is even the most optimal one.
When the hearten OAM Server with 8x BR100 comes out (hopefully by end of the year), it should be able to do 2x this much computation and possibly even more once they work out some of the kinks and possibly use a more optimized CPU. These articles completely underestimates how good BR100 is.
Take a look at H100, the test was done with only 1 H100 GPU and you can see the numbers are much lower. So the fact that they they are already able to create a system with 8x BR104 is tremendous process.
Don't underestimate Panjiu here. Their number is with only 1 CPU and no accelerator card. I'm impressed Alibaba was willing to have it tested against things designed for AI. That shows it has very high processing power. Maybe they will widely deploy it soon.
We don't need no verification from MLCommons. Biren already won SAIL Award, highest honor in machine learning there is.
The great thing about these AI chips is that they're very new; America has no entrenched legacy advantage like with x86. As we can all see when the competition is "fair" (as in not that stacked against China), American companies get the snot beat out of them.
This article very nicely corroborates what we have been discussing in the last week or so in this thread. Strongly recommended to read.
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