The problem isn't if China can produce 5nm only using DUV, but rather can China mass-produce 5nm only using DUV. Personally, I don't think China can mass-produce 5nm with just DUV(it would be costly and pointless). It would be better for China to use EUV and start mass-producing 7nm and 5nm. Like I said early, assuming I am right, it would take China 10 years to develop its own EUV. During those 10 years, would the amerifats be able to build an advanced chip making capacity able to produce 7 nm or 5nm, or would the amerifats be stuck in a recession.
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It’s a whole lot more than that. ArFi requires a whole set of fluidics control systems too, and you need to pair the solid state optics with the immersion liquid’s optical properties so you’re not even using the same optical design. These are not compatible machines.
Thats the thing the west have always said it would take China 10 years to do x, then a couple of years pass by. The west is still proclaiming it would take China 10 years than out of no where a report pop ups and confirms China has finished prototyping x with success.
I have seen too many such examples over the last couple of decades.
EUV is not cheap and easy. Single tap-out cost is 50 millions USD.
even the resist must be totally different because
South Korean foreign minister says Chip 4 Alliance is not designed to exclude China.
SEOUL, Aug. 1 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's top diplomat said Monday the United States has noted the importance of the Chinese market and its understanding of "close economic ties" between the South and China, as Seoul faces a tricky decision over whether to join a U.S.-proposed chip alliance.
Foreign Minister Park Jin made the remarks during a parliamentary session amid worries that South Korea's entry into the alliance, known as Chip 4, could cause friction with China, its largest trading partner, should it develop into an exclusive grouping against the Asian power.
"The U.S. also explained that the Chinese market, its third largest trading partner, is important," Park told lawmakers. "The U.S. understands South Korea has close economic relations with China."
Park reiterated that the alliance, also involving Japan and Taiwan, is a cooperative platform aimed at building resilient semiconductor supply chains.
Washington's call to join the grouping has been posing a diplomatic dilemma to Seoul as it has been navigating increasingly convoluted geopolitics marked by a hardening Sino-U.S. rivalry.
About 60 percent of South Korea's chips were exported to China last year, while major manufacturers, such as Samsung Electronics and SK hynix, rely on U.S. chip design and manufacturing equipment.
He said the Seoul government will push for cooperation with the major semiconductor players in areas of professional training, research and development and diversifying supply chains and make diplomatic efforts to relay its stance to China to prevent misunderstanding over the issue.
"(Chip 4) focuses on boosting cooperation for development of the industry, and it is not designed to exclude China," Park added.
Experts worry Seoul's joining the Chip 4 alliance could draw a strong reaction from Beijing, like its apparent economic retaliation following the installation of the U.S. THAAD missile defense system here in 2017.
FM says U.S.-led chip alliance not designed to exclude China
By Kim Eun-jungSEOUL, Aug. 1 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's top diplomat said Monday the United States has noted the importance of the Chinese market and its understanding of "close economic ties" between the South and China, as Seoul faces a tricky decision over whether to join a U.S.-proposed chip alliance.
Foreign Minister Park Jin made the remarks during a parliamentary session amid worries that South Korea's entry into the alliance, known as Chip 4, could cause friction with China, its largest trading partner, should it develop into an exclusive grouping against the Asian power.
"The U.S. also explained that the Chinese market, its third largest trading partner, is important," Park told lawmakers. "The U.S. understands South Korea has close economic relations with China."
Park reiterated that the alliance, also involving Japan and Taiwan, is a cooperative platform aimed at building resilient semiconductor supply chains.
Washington's call to join the grouping has been posing a diplomatic dilemma to Seoul as it has been navigating increasingly convoluted geopolitics marked by a hardening Sino-U.S. rivalry.
About 60 percent of South Korea's chips were exported to China last year, while major manufacturers, such as Samsung Electronics and SK hynix, rely on U.S. chip design and manufacturing equipment.
He said the Seoul government will push for cooperation with the major semiconductor players in areas of professional training, research and development and diversifying supply chains and make diplomatic efforts to relay its stance to China to prevent misunderstanding over the issue.
"(Chip 4) focuses on boosting cooperation for development of the industry, and it is not designed to exclude China," Park added.
Experts worry Seoul's joining the Chip 4 alliance could draw a strong reaction from Beijing, like its apparent economic retaliation following the installation of the U.S. THAAD missile defense system here in 2017.
@Pkp88 to be honest bro, if they really want to hurt the Chinese, they should have done it, there is no half ass solution, either you do it or the Chinese will do it for you.
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Well, it is another solid proof that they are worried of Chinese superior product both technically and pricing wise
It may work 15 yrs ago, no way this time ... the train has left long time ago and this supapowa still thinking old paradigm in 1980s that they successfully destroyed Japanese electronic industry, in fact the Japanese economy that hasn't recovered so far
it is a proof that the national security threat is just nothing but talk. i hope YMTC has backup plan in place already, i am quite sure they had anticipated it sooner or later.
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