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Hendrik_2000

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These are sort of old news. SMIC announced N+1 capability almost 2years ago. N+1 is 7nm-like and for bitcoin mining application. Since these chips do not have SRAM on it and easier to produce at higher yield, can't be considered as true 7nm. My understanding is this is why SMIC called this 7nm-like as N+1 and true 7nm as N+2. N+1/N+2 SMIC had always seemed to imply these as 7nm-family of nodes. The industry consensus then refer to N+1 capability as 8nm to 10nm level.

All the brouhaha came about because TechInsight just now is able to obtain a physical chip to do a teardown analysis. But this chip, this SMIC capability is not new it's something SMIC is capable of at least a year or year and half ago.

People can call this chip 7nm, N+1, or 8nm/10nm depending on their perspectives or what definition they use, but I think all of these just refer to the same bitcoin mining chip. I don't know why people are surprised at something SMIC said they could do and produce long ago. The concept of western non-industry folks now have physical evidence so assume this is something 'new is just stupid. We had this awhile ago, this is yesterday's accomplishment.
Saying you could do it one thing but actually having it available on the market is different thing . We all know what SMIC said but we need proof I think a lot of sceptic like you who bad mouth China effort must be disappointed! Now who look stupid here! Self claim Expert!
 
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tokenanalyst

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Loongson's self-developed GPU debuts​


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Recently, Godson official micro revealed that the company's new generation of Godson 3 series processors supporting Qiaolong chip 7A2000 was officially released. It is particularly worth mentioning that this bridge chip integrates the GPU module of Godson's self-developed unified rendering architecture for the first time. Compared with the previous generation products, the I/O interface speed of this new bridge has reached the mainstream level in the market.

According to the official introduction, the GPU core frequency reaches 400-500Mhz, based on OpenGL 2.1 and OpenGL ES 2.0 specifications, integrated DDR4 video memory controller, video memory frequency reaches 2000Mhz-2400Mhz, maximum support 16GB; supports two-channel display, typical resolution 1920X1080@ 60Hz supports up to 2560x1440@30Hz, glmark2 performance exceeds 300 fps, glxgears performance exceeds 1800 fps; it can meet the needs of the desktop office field.

It is understood that the research and development of Godson GPU started late, and it did not officially start until 2017. In recent years, Loongson has invested 1.054 billion yuan to expand the scale of the existing R&D team, and develop a new generation of GPGPU chip products and software and hardware systems with high versatility and scalability. In the future, it will effectively support vision, speech, and natural language. and traditional machine learning and other different types of artificial intelligence algorithms. After the project is fully constructed, it will form a synergistic effect with Loongson Zhongke's current CPU products, further expanding the coverage of the products in the market.

In the past year or so, the progress of domestic GPUs has been very rapid. As early as last year, Zhaoxin announced the launch of GPU independent graphics cards for the first time; at the end of November last year, Innosilicon officially released the domestic graphics GPU - "Fenghua No. 1", mainly for the desktop and server markets; and by the end of March this year, Moore Thread launched the first unified system architecture MUSA, the first-generation full-featured GPU chip "Sudi", the first GPU desktop graphics card MTT S60 and other products; Biren Technology also announced the success of the first general-purpose GPU chip not long ago.

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hvpc

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Saying you could do it one thing but actually having it available on the market is different thing . We all know what SMIC said but we need proof I think a lot of sceptic like you who bad mouth China effort must be disappointed! No who is stupid here! Self claim Expert!
I had never bad mouth about China. I call it as it is. I try to speak to a subject matter objectively without injecting any nationalistic or my personal agenda. I never made claim to be an expert. I'm sure like all of you, we all have our own field of expertise but less so on things we don't work on. You are free to continue to be a hater and poke fun at me. You do you, I'll do me.

Some of you that try to make healthy discussions personal, this behavior says a lot about your character.

The SMIC capability to build 7nm bitcoin mining chip had been recognized long ago. No reason for me to be skeptical of.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I had never bad mouth about China. I call it as it is. I try to speak to a subject matter objectively without injecting any nationalistic or my personal agenda. I never made claim to be an expert. I'm sure like all of you, we all have our own field of expertise but less so on things we don't work on. You are free to continue to be a hater and poke fun at me. You do you, I'll do me.

Some of you that try to make healthy discussions personal, this behavior says a lot about your character.

The SMIC capability to build 7nm bitcoin mining chip had been recognized long ago. No reason for me to be skeptical of.
Now who first use the word "stupid" ? That was uncalled for .So don't throw stone first! Objectively? we all can read and can discern some one prejudice based on their post. Your post is heavily biased! most of the time. No need for grandstanding!
 

hvpc

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Now who first use the word "stupid" ? That was uncalled for .So don't throw stone first! Objectively? we all can read and can discern some one prejudice based on their post. Your post is heavily biased! most of the time. No need for grandstanding!
I was referring to the concept of westerner using their subjective criteria to recognize or approve something as 'stupid'. So would it make you happy if I call their action "not stupid"?

My posts are assessment and some times opinion based on what I would consider as solid datapoints. It's clear what I accept as a valid datapoints is different than yours. We use different inputs, so will reach different conclusion. So I share, read your opinion/data, discuss, but I don't make fun or call people names or intimidate just because people have different views as me.

So I understand you may think I'm biased. But from my perspective, I can say the same about most of your takes as 'biased', too. I'm here to learn what inputs you are using, to discuss, and share datapoints that I'm using. I don't understand what's wrong with that and why that deserve periodic attacks from some of you. Is it not acceptable or possible to coexist with different opinions?

In the future, if you think my posts are biased, please point it out. I'd love to compare notes with you on the spot on data or info we use then we can recalibrate our respective analysis.
 
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ansy1968

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In the past year or so, the progress of domestic GPUs has been very rapid. As early as last year, Zhaoxin announced the launch of GPU independent graphics cards for the first time; at the end of November last year, Innosilicon officially released the domestic graphics GPU - "Fenghua No. 1", mainly for the desktop and server markets; and by the end of March this year, Moore Thread launched the first unified system architecture MUSA, the first-generation full-featured GPU chip "Sudi", the first GPU desktop graphics card MTT S60 and other products; Biren Technology also announced the success of the first general-purpose GPU chip not long ago.

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@tokenanalyst bro I do remember and I know Huawei will be the Sixth entrant.

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Apr 8, 2020 — According to reports, Huawei's 2012 laboratory has been developing its own GPU chip for many years. However, Huawei's GPU is not for desktop ...
 

tokenanalyst

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Cut it out guys, is not worth fighting.

AMEC 1H22, non-net profit increased by about 600% year-on-year, and new orders were about 3 billion yuan​


In 1H22, the non-net profit after deduction increased by about 6 times year-on-year, and the operating profitability was greatly improved. The company's performance forecast is expected to achieve revenue of about 1.97 billion yuan (YoY47.1%) in 1H22, of which 2Q22 is about 1.02 billion yuan (YoY38.8%, QoQ7.6%); net profit attributable to the parent is 420-480 million yuan (YoY5 .9%-21.0%), of which 2Q22 is about 3.0-3.6 (YoY17.0%-40.2%, QoQ158.4%-209.6%); net profit after deducting non-return to the parent is about 410-450 million yuan (YoY565.4 %-630.3%), of which about 224-264 million yuan in 2Q22 (YoY342.7%-421.9%, QoQ20.0%-41.4%), of which the non-operating profit and loss generated by government subsidies and equity investment decreased by about 2.1% year-on-year 100 million and 200 million yuan; in 1H22, new orders were about 3.06 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of about 62%.
In 1Q22, the revenue of etching equipment increased by 105.0% year-on-year, and the equipment category continued to expand. Benefiting from the competitive advantages of products and the development of the equipment market, the etching equipment achieved a revenue of 714 million yuan (YoY105.0%) in a single quarter in 1Q22. The CCP etching machine was applied in batches to the IC manufacturing production lines of first-line customers at home and abroad, and continued to increase its market share. , the market share of some customers has entered the top three; In addition, in the field of thin film equipment for integrated circuits, LPCVD equipment and EPI equipment are being developed, and good progress has been made. The company is planning to develop key equipment such as ALD and ALE. The company is located in Nanchang and Shanghai Lingang. The construction is smooth to ensure the expansion of production capacity.
The scale of the global semiconductor manufacturing equipment market is expected to hit a new high, and the local expansion will be accelerated again. SEMI expects global front-end fab equipment spending to reach $109 billion (YoY 20%) in 2022, another record high. Recently, Hua Hong Semiconductor, Hua Hong Grace, Wuxi Entity and Big Fund II invested USD 1.78, 2.3, 1.6 and 232 million to increase capital in Hua Hong Wuxi respectively; Guangzhou Yuexin announced the completion of a strategic financing of RMB 4.5 billion for the second phase 90 - Construction of 44nm process production line; SMIC (Shaoxing SMIC) Science and Technology Innovation Board IPO application was accepted, and plans to raise 12.5 billion yuan to build MEMS and power device chip manufacturing and packaging and testing production base technical transformation projects, Phase II crystal Round manufacturing projects and supplement working capital; the IPO registration of Jinghe Integrated Science and Technology Innovation Board was approved before, and it plans to raise 9.5 billion yuan for process research and development and acquisition of factories, etc. The round plant has entered a production-intensive construction period.
 

tinrobert

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I know by some more "official" information that SMIC is in the process of validating a 12nm process node and they are developing standard cell libraries for for such process. 7nm will come after that. Making 7nm chips for some miner sounds a bit sketchy IMHO.
Nothing personal against this guy but I don't trust this guys.
I said this in my May 17 Seeking Alpha article. You can read it here:
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