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Rettam Stacf

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Chipmakers brace for more trouble as Russia limits exports of rare gases​

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Looks like Russia is going to weaponize her noble gas export to counter the West's economic sanctions. And that include Japan, S Korea and Singapore who all have major wafer fab sectors and are considered by Russia as unfriendly countries.

This may give China's semiconductor industries more breathing room to catch up as well and achieve technology independence.
 

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Here is an article in Korean which seems to suggest that Jinhua memory is in mass production. Jinhua was the first Chinese semi company to be placed on the US blacklist restricting access to US equipment. The message from this story is that it is possible to to build a modern semi fab without AMAT, Lam and KLA.

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It seems Taiwan strategy is the following: build as much capacity as we can and bound to us as many customers as we can (especially US customers). Is a strategy that makes sense from their point of view, don't know if it will succeed, with China and US building up semiconductor factories for geopolitical strategic reasons (i.e. build them up anyhow, no matter what) we can foresee a big capacity surplus in the market in few years from now...interesting times ahead! Not everybody will survive...
 

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Here is an article in Korean which seems to suggest that Jinhua memory is in mass production. Jinhua was the first Chinese semi company to be placed on the US blacklist restricting access to US equipment. The message from this story is that it is possible to to build a modern semi fab without AMAT, Lam and KLA.

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Auros Technology seems to be a competitor of KLA, in measurement equipment. Indeed this is maybe the type of equipment where Chinese manufacturers are weaker. In etching and deposition there are big names like AMEC and NAURA, here I only know of
Beijing Dongfang Jingyuan Electronic Technology (
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@european_guy thanks bro, been waiting for this news, so I'm wrong TSMC had signed up for this machine. I think ASML prefer TSMC as partner on this project than Intel, experience working together have proven to be super successful. I'm just surprises that TSMC isn't the first one to sign up, knowing their close relationship.
 

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@european_guy thanks bro, been waiting for this news, so I'm wrong TSMC had signed up for this machine. I think ASML prefer TSMC as partner on this project than Intel, experience working together have proven to be super successful. I'm just surprises that TSMC isn't the first one to sign up, knowing their close relationship.
Business is business, my money is as good as yours. Intel is an American company. The Netherlands won't prevent ASML from supplying Intel if Intel demand such equipment. So why would Intel be less preferred?
 

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Business is business, my money is as good as yours. Intel is an American company. The Netherlands won't prevent ASML from supplying Intel if Intel demand such equipment. So why would Intel be less preferred?
@Weaasel that's what bothering me, why TSMC isn't the first customer, their partnership is what makes them number one in their respective fields. I'm thinking that TSMC using the current EUVL had crack the tech for both 3nm and 2nm so why spend an enormous amount (double the price) for a new EUVL? I understand Intel motive as they try to play catch up to sign up for this machine BUT they don't have the product for that machine to produce, they don't even produce a 7nm chips what more a 3nm and 2nm chip? I'm no expert BUT a novice like me can see that TSMC hesitation may force ASML to lower their new HIGH NA EUVL price cause they need TSMC more than Intel to make this machine successful.
 
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Rettam Stacf

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@Weaasel that's what bothering me, why TSMC isn't the first customer, their partnership is what makes them number one in their respective fields. I'm thinking that TSMC using the current EUVL had crack the tech for both 3nm and 2nm so why spend an enormous amount (double the price) for a new EUVL? I understand Intel motive as they try to play catch up to sign up for this machine BUT they don't have the product for that machine to produce, they don't even produce a 7nm chips what more a 3nm and 2nm chip? I'm no expert BUT a novice like me can see that TSMC hesitation may force ASML to lower their new HIGH NA EUVL price cause they need TSMC more than Intel to make this machine successful.

May be the US (and hence EU) has come to the realization that Taiwan reunification with China is inevitable, and in the near future. So they will not want the latest and greatest to go to TSMC and eventually falls into China's lap.
 

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It seems Taiwan strategy is the following: build as much capacity as we can and bound to us as many customers as we can (especially US customers). Is a strategy that makes sense from their point of view, don't know if it will succeed, with China and US building up semiconductor factories for geopolitical strategic reasons (i.e. build them up anyhow, no matter what) we can foresee a big capacity surplus in the market in few years from now...interesting times ahead! Not everybody will survive...

It make sense to me. For self preservation, TSMC should expand as quickly as possible because :

SCENARIO 1 : With the dominant technology and capacity, the US will probably not allow TSMC to fall under China's control. Hence the US may strongly intervene in any attempt by China to reunify with Taiwan.

SCENARIO 2 : If China reunites with Taiwan, TSMC's capacity and capability will be a prize catch. China will likely handle TSMC with kid gloves, and possibly with Taiwan too.

TSMC is just playing both sides of the coin. IMHO, TSMC should be more worried about the US and DPP destroying it than China does.
 
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