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coolieno99

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I posted these items before, but I will post again for reference purpose.

Advantages of SSMB over LPP.
1. SSMB light source is rated at 1000 W. LPP light source is rated at 250 W.
2. SSMB produced no contaminants. LPP produced Tin contaminants as a byproduct of EUV generation. The Tin contaminants would deposit on the main mirror and would cause loss of reflectivity. The mirror would have to be replaced annually, creating more expense and down time.

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ansy1968

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I posted these items before, but I will post again for reference purpose.

Advantages of SSMB over LPP.
1. SSMB light source is rated at 1000 W. LPP light source is rated at 250 W.
2. SSMB produced no contaminants. LPP produced Tin contaminants as a byproduct of EUV generation. The Tin contaminants would deposit on the main mirror and would cause loss of reflectivity. The mirror would have to be replaced annually, creating more expense and down time.

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@coolieno99 thanks very much bro, appreciated, so it was really a gamechanger, why would ASML not think of it? A problem for most Monopolies , pricing it to high or putting restriction, you will expect competition cause everybody want a pieces of the pie and of necessity.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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@coolieno99 thanks very much bro, appreciated, so it was really a gamechanger, why would ASML not think of it? A problem for most Monopolies , pricing it to high or putting restriction, you will expect competition cause everybody want a pieces of the pie and of necessity.
many things in cpitalism make no sense. Small bottles of Coca Cola sell for far higher price per unit volume than large bottles even accounting for packaging cost. You have nonsensical requirements for private ownership such as Elon Musk's declared hatred of public transit and then making slower, lower throughput versions of subways.

SSMB, if the light source is a large structure, might require cooperation between end users to share a light source or for one large buyer that uses multiple EUV steps to finance the entire thing. Everyone has to own their own thing and it is not enough to have use of the product, others must be denied use of the product. Ideology strikes again.
 

ansy1968

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Japan is finally catching on to the Jai Hind spirit.

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Umm...I wonder what happened the last time Japan had an edge in semiconductors.
@GodRektsNoobs bro look at the date 2025, I think there is a realization among the Collective West that China may have an EUVL capability by that time cause I'm not downplaying TSMC, BUT look at their 3nm, I'm NO expert BUT they're having difficulties. 2026 maybe the optimistic date of 2nm mass usage.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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@GodRektsNoobs bro look at the date 2025, I think there is a realization among the Collective West that China may have an EUVL capability by that time cause I'm not downplaying TSMC, BUT look at their 3nm, I'm NO expert BUT they're having difficulties. 2026 maybe the optimistic date of 2nm mass usage.
The article has Jai Hind spirit down to a tee. Nevermind if 2nm will even be able to be mass produced by 2025. Nevermind that currently, the best Japanese semiconductor industry could do is 65nm. Nevermind Japan literally have no market for such product. Nevermind US will never let Japan have such advanced technology, and nevermind US have already destroyed Japan's semiconductor industry in the past.

Japan will have 2nm nodes by 2025, guys! Banzzaaaaiiiii!!!!
 

ansy1968

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The article has Jai Hind spirit down to a tee. Nevermind if 2nm will even be able to be mass produced by 2025. Nevermind that currently, the best Japanese semiconductor industry could do is 65nm. Nevermind Japan literally have no market for such product. Nevermind US will never let Japan have such advanced technology, and nevermind US have already destroyed Japan's semiconductor industry in the past.

Japan will have 2nm nodes by 2025, guys! Banzzaaaaiiiii!!!!
@GodRektsNoobs bro I'm with you, It's a Sugio and Kimochi moment, lets celebrate, Banzai!!!!
 
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