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BlackWindMnt

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HarmonyOS is already compatible with Android apps. I don't understand your logic. If HarmonyOS is compatible with Android apps, developers would only need to develop Android apps. What's the incentive for developers to develope HarmonyOS apps?
Being able to run Android apps is one thing but without Google services your working with a really limited android.

What developers can do is replace Google mobile services with huawei mobile services as a short term solution. Before completely porting or setting up a dedicated HarmonyOS team. I think that is why windows phone failed you had to pretty much do everything from scratch.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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So sanction on China is very logical. American give EUV or other advanced tech to China is like America give nuclear weapon/ missile equipment to China so that it can manufacture it and nuke back American and its allies. American is very benevolant to give SMIC/ Cxmt /Ymtc/BOE advanced manufacturing process. If situation is different let say China is more advance than America in semiconductor, China will never share their own technology and done the same thing like america did. America share their technology equipment with taiwan south korea, Japan even though taiwan/korea beat them in semiconductor market. Western country like Germany share their car manufacturing tech to China until China now master how to make a car. Apple build their iphone assembly in China that lead to rise of Huawei, Xiaomi, and HP build their factory in China that lead to rise of Lenovo. Japan company like toshiba give China technology how to make home appliance that lead to rise of hisense,haier, midea and other chinese company. All western/japan company contribute to China economic growth. What China do to return in favor? Nah, lets invade taiwan instead or lets conquer all south china sea. Is China ungrateful? or American and western country abuse their superpower status?
You are factually wrong. Huawei becoming a major multinational occurred as early as 2004, which predates the rise of Apple since the iPhone in 2007. Their business practices have nothing to do with Apple seeing that they're in B2B which is a completely different world than B2C.

It's interesting how you define "selling for profit to a paying customer" or "paying money for labor" as "sharing". Is your boss "sharing" your salary with you? Do you "share" with customers? You "share" with a grocery store?

LMAO wtf do you think capitalism even is? Sharing is a socialist concept. Chinese companies can share. US companies don't share, the only share they know is shareholders. Sharing is not a capitalist concept. Buying, selling and joint investment are capitalist concepts and that is how US businesses interact with Chinese ones. The f* is sharing?

US and indeed other western countries never shared jack shit with China. China paid every single penny for everything the US sold, not gave, sold at a massive profit, to China.

It isn't China's fault that they failed to invest their profits in more productive ventures than stock buybacks while China invested in capital machinery and R&D. How can China be responsible for US capitalist failures of resource allocation?
 

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LoongArch Port Merged For GCC 12

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In continuation of last week's article that
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as a new port to this MIPS-derived Chinese CPU architecture, the code was merged on Tuesday.

While in the "stage four" final phase of GCC 12 development with this open-source compiler due for its stable release in about one month's time, LoongArch has been merged. Due to a new CPU port not risking existing compiler code, the LoongArch code was able to land following the crucial approval of the GCC steering committee.

LoongArch is the CPU architecture being developed by Loongson after offering a variety of MIPS hardware over the years that has been upstream friendly. With the MIPS CPU architecture no longer being actively developed, they had to move on with evolving it into their own CPU design. Initial Loongson 3A5000 CPUs based on LoongArch aren't competitive to today's Intel, Arm, or AMD CPUs but we'll see how much performance they manage to squeeze out of their hardware ahead.

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bring up the initial LoongArch support for the GNU Compiler Collection that has been under development the past many months.

This also clears the way for the Linux kernel to mainline its LoongArch CPU architecture support as it has been held up by needing suitable upstream compiler support.
 

Andy1974

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HarmonyOS is already compatible with Android apps. I don't understand your logic. If HarmonyOS is compatible with Android apps, developers would only need to develop Android apps. What's the incentive for developers to develope HarmonyOS apps?
Because harmonyOS apps will be able to run on many platforms and devices from cars, consumer electronics, washing machines, most Huawei internet connected devices, anything with a screen etc.

The apps will be available in China. And cannot be removed from the Chinese market except by Chinese authorities.
 

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If true that is interesting. I heard people claiming Russia was importing fiber for making PCBs from Europe. If they claim they can make motherboards I guess they already got another supplier for whichever European components they did use. And if they do import those Zhaoxin CPUs it will also be interesting. Since I think those are manufactured at TSMC in China. So it remains to be seen if TSMC in China will also sanction sales or not. It those sales do get sanctioned, it might inform future Chinese government policy with regards to Chinese state support for foreign chip manufacturers facilities operating in China. And for Zhaoxin, since the Chinese state is one of its main clients, it might also inform their future choice of production facilities for future products.
 

PopularScience

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If true that is interesting. I heard people claiming Russia was importing fiber for making PCBs from Europe. If they claim they can make motherboards I guess they already got another supplier for whichever European components they did use. And if they do import those Zhaoxin CPUs it will also be interesting. Since I think those are manufactured at TSMC in China. So it remains to be seen if TSMC in China will also sanction sales or not. It those sales do get sanctioned, it might inform future Chinese government policy with regards to Chinese state support for foreign chip manufacturers facilities operating in China.
Zhaoxin will be manufactured by SMIC too.
 

gelgoog

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Here is an article about the Centaur CHA with CNS core which might have been used as the base for the future Zhaoxin CPU.
The article is kind of technical and goes quite deep into analyzing the architecture.
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And another article about Zhaoxin's own in house CPU designs.
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