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Annihilation98

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So sanction on China is very logical. American give EUV or other advanced tech to China is like America give nuclear weapon/ missile equipment to China so that it can manufacture it and nuke back American and its allies. American is very benevolant to give SMIC/ Cxmt /Ymtc/BOE advanced manufacturing process. If situation is different let say China is more advance than America in semiconductor, China will never share their own technology and done the same thing like america did. America share their technology equipment with taiwan south korea, Japan even though taiwan/korea beat them in semiconductor market. Western country like Germany share their car manufacturing tech to China until China now master how to make a car. Apple build their iphone assembly in China that lead to rise of Huawei, Xiaomi, and HP build their factory in China that lead to rise of Lenovo. Japan company like toshiba give China technology how to make home appliance that lead to rise of hisense,haier, midea and other chinese company. All western/japan company contribute to China economic growth. What China do to return in favor? Nah, lets invade taiwan instead or lets conquer all south china sea. Is China ungrateful? or American and western country abuse their superpower status?
 
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Annihilation98 said:
So sanction on China is very logical. American give EUV or other advanced tech to China is like America give nuclear weapon/ missile equipment to China so that it can manufacture it and nuke back American and its allies. American is very benevolant to give SMIC/ Cxmt /Ymtc/BOE advanced manufacturing process. If situation is different let say China is more advance than America in semiconductor, China will never share their own technology and done the same thing like america did. America share their technology equipment with taiwan south korea, Japan even though taiwan/korea beat them in semiconductor market. Western country like Germany share their car manufacturing tech to China until China now master how to make a car. Apple build their iphone assembly in China that lead to rise of Huawei, Xiaomi, and HP build their factory in China that lead to rise of Lenovo. Japan company like toshiba give China technology how to make home appliance that lead to rise of hisense,haier, midea and other chinese company. All western/japan company contribute to China economic growth. What China do to return in favor? Nah, lets invade taiwan instead or lets conquer all south china sea. Is China ungrateful? or American and western country abuse their superpower status?
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The level of delusion is just mind boggling. The west does not give technology to China . They profited immensely by outsourcing their manufacturing to China and selling parts. China did reverse engineer some of the western product. Yeah I give that .But almost all newbie did the same thing, Japan copy a lot of western technology back in 50's and 60;s So what. Your wild imagination is just out of control. What technology did Apple give to China when most of the work is just screw and assembly I phone with most of the component outsource all over the world. And apple kept the code to themselves!

Ditto with Japanese car they built assembly line in China but most of the component come from Japan in the early year. Latter they outsourced some of the components from China but they didn't give the blueprint. The Chinese component maker learn the technique by being subcontractor for the German and US automaker. Latter they developed their own R&D and supplying the world with automobile spare parts. The only thing they learn form those assembly factory is quality control and efficient work flow and management
 
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Annihilation98 said:
So sanction on China is very logical. American give EUV or other advanced tech to China is like America give nuclear weapon/ missile equipment to China so that it can manufacture it and nuke back American and its allies. American is very benevolant to give SMIC/ Cxmt /Ymtc/BOE advanced manufacturing process. If situation is different let say China is more advance than America in semiconductor, China will never share their own technology and done the same thing like america did. America share their technology equipment with taiwan south korea, Japan even though taiwan/korea beat them in semiconductor market. Western country like Germany share their car manufacturing tech to China until China now master how to make a car. Apple build their iphone assembly in China that lead to rise of Huawei, Xiaomi, and HP build their factory in China that lead to rise of Lenovo. Japan company like toshiba give China technology how to make home appliance that lead to rise of hisense,haier, midea and other chinese company. All western/japan company contribute to China economic growth. What China do to return in favor? Nah, lets invade taiwan instead or lets conquer all south china sea. Is China ungrateful? or American and western country abuse their superpower status?
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Hahaha what the hell are you talking about? Are you a US apologist? Or a troll on this forum. America is benevolent? I stopped taking you seriously after that comment. Is that why they destroyed Japan’s semiconductor industry in the 80s? Or made them sign the plaza accord? or they sanction Cuba and Venezuela And Iran during COVID, refusing to give ventilators or medicine even for humanitarian causes? Or threatening the Solomon Islands? if you call that benevolent then they should be much less benevolent please. but let me guess, it’s ok because the US does it. These countries don’t share technology out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it to make profit and gain market share. China was just smart enough to gain from them as well, more than they expected so now they are salty.

Btw china shared high speed rail technology to Indonesia and tech transfers to African factories as well, why don’t you call china benevolent?

you’re biased hypocrisy is just too much.
 
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Annihilation98 said:
So sanction on China is very logical. American give EUV or other advanced tech to China is like America give nuclear weapon/ missile equipment to China so that it can manufacture it and nuke back American and its allies. American is very benevolant to give SMIC/ Cxmt /Ymtc/BOE advanced manufacturing process. If situation is different let say China is more advance than America in semiconductor, China will never share their own technology and done the same thing like america did. America share their technology equipment with taiwan south korea, Japan even though taiwan/korea beat them in semiconductor market. Western country like Germany share their car manufacturing tech to China until China now master how to make a car. Apple build their iphone assembly in China that lead to rise of Huawei, Xiaomi, and HP build their factory in China that lead to rise of Lenovo. Japan company like toshiba give China technology how to make home appliance that lead to rise of hisense,haier, midea and other chinese company. All western/japan company contribute to China economic growth. What China do to return in favor? Nah, lets invade taiwan instead or lets conquer all south china sea. Is China ungrateful? or American and western country abuse their superpower status?
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I believe this level of stupidity can rightly be classified as trolling. Can we get a warning for this guy?
 
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@siegecrossbow
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@Deino

I believe this level of stupidity can rightly be classified as trolling. Can we get a warning for this guy?
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I think American politician done the right thing. No country in the world would want to give their own "state of art" tech like EUV to their own adversary that threathen their own allies. America has right to control their own technology.
American probably realize their own mistake for providing advanced tech to chinese company like SMIC with 14 nm tech or YMTC flash memory or Cxmt Dram. So sanction is the only way to do and its right things to do.
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There is no right or wrong, just moves and outcomes, throwing weapons at your own soldiers in the hope that they will also kill the enemy without any guarantee may seem like the right thing to do, but on closer inspection it may be just plain stupid.
It's one thing to protect "next generation" technology like EUV, I get it, you want to keep the crown jewels for yourself, but it's another thing to use decades of hard-earned competitive advantage and decades of hard-earned trust, the sweet and the blood of their own companies as a weapon, turning your own companies into unreliable partners overnight, that the only reason to buy from them is because there are no current alternatives and putting their own companies to failure at the moment when alternatives start appearing on the market because by the time they want to throw out the controls is over. I'm not just talking about semi-equipment, this all started in 2014 because some Chinese companies got too good at making 5G equipment that was ironically full of US-designed and U.S. made chips, when they banned the use of these chips that Chinese companies that were happy to buy is when Chinese executives realized to their horror that what the Chinese government had been saying for decades was the truth. So they started making chips, when they found out that overseas factories can be cut off from supplying them, they started making them locally as much as they could, when they found out that the supply chain can be cut off (equipment, software, parts and materials) they started to look for those supplies locally or from trusted foreign companies.​
The US is pretty unique in that regard except for Japan with their stupid skirmish with South Korea the US has sacrificed entire industries in the name of national security and gains nothing in return no national security only loses when it shows up the alternative. Just look at the numerical control machine industry. The Chinese could have used their rare earth industry as a weapon, but they know that it is a single use weapon.

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Annihilation98 said:
So sanction on China is very logical. American give EUV or other advanced tech to China is like America give nuclear weapon/ missile equipment to China so that it can manufacture it and nuke back American and its allies. American is very benevolant to give SMIC/ Cxmt /Ymtc/BOE advanced manufacturing process. If situation is different let say China is more advance than America in semiconductor, China will never share their own technology and done the same thing like america did. America share their technology equipment with taiwan south korea, Japan even though taiwan/korea beat them in semiconductor market. Western country like Germany share their car manufacturing tech to China until China now master how to make a car. Apple build their iphone assembly in China that lead to rise of Huawei, Xiaomi, and HP build their factory in China that lead to rise of Lenovo. Japan company like toshiba give China technology how to make home appliance that lead to rise of hisense,haier, midea and other chinese company. All western/japan company contribute to China economic growth. What China do to return in favor? Nah, lets invade taiwan instead or lets conquer all south china sea. Is China ungrateful? or American and western country abuse their superpower status?
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Dude, unless you want to buy weapon grade plutonium or missiles, you can get almost everything from China, even technology that U.S want to export control or is export controlled by the U.S. from drones to nuclear technology to even quantum cryptography with any or little hassle at all. So there is not benevolence in this thing, is business, you do it or you don't . You want market share or you dont. So you don't want to sell me your product or you want me to jump hoops to acquire something that you sell? THEN STOP WASTING MY TIME, GET OUT OF MY SIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS A GERMAN COMPANY OFFERING TO DELIVER ME 20 MACHINES THE NEXT MONTH.

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I think they need to somehow make HarmonyOS compatible with Android apps (even if operating at lower performance level).
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HarmonyOS is already compatible with Android apps. I don't understand your logic. If HarmonyOS is compatible with Android apps, developers would only need to develop Android apps. What's the incentive for developers to develope HarmonyOS apps?
 
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