Raise your hand if you’ve ever taken delivery of scanners before.
Enough said.
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Enough said.
With all my respect bro I understand what you are saying, those equipment are big and hard to conceal, but I think when very sensitive equipment is delivered fabs workers don't go and tell everyone what is being installed in the fab, NDAs are taken seriously in those places. My guess is that unless the fab wants some propaganda, it will hide from the public their the different components of their manufacturing process. In the case of China the situation is even worse because the geopolitical situation.
Looking at this building from the outside based on this photo it could be any number of industrial buildings, looking at the unmarked crates it could be any kind of industrial machinery.
Let's say there were no signs there. If you told me that was a hospital equipping a new oncology unit why would I disbelieve unless it was location and timestamped?
I don’t know why hpvc expects a lot of workers and employees to openly talk about a bunch of stuff being moved in. Why don’t the privates in the military post about their patrol routes, inventory, etc? Why don’t workers in naval shipyards post sensitive stuff online? Why don’t engineers post corporate secrets for everyone to see?
It’s because the vast majority of people don’t care. They do their job, go home, open some entertainment, go to sleep, and repeat. Humans by nature are risk averted. If they signed an NDA, then they are even less likely to openly speak about it since they have a career, future, and life to think about.
It’s because the vast majority of people don’t care. They do their job, go home, open some entertainment, go to sleep, and repeat. Humans by nature are risk averted. If they signed an NDA, then they are even less likely to openly speak about it since they have a career, future, and life to think about.
Is not that is impossible that a leak will happen but i think is more likely that will come from an investor who got the information in a meeting than from workers on the fab, which i think was the case of Samsung and their problems with their GAA 3nm node, if a fab worker leak information I guess it will do it in way that doesn't compromise its own future, the leak will become a rumor rather than objective news.
Another thing is also, even if a worker leaks something, is he really gonna leak it on the internet?
I don't think so, more likely to just be in conversations with say family or friends, which will basically just make it turn into a rumour at most.
Not to mention, at the end of the day it be in chinese, and we're likely not gonna have any kind of english article (and bigger/most chinese news probably wouldn't report on it).
Could say the US, taiwanese, korean etc. forces/parties possibly have spies/network inside of China that might catch something like that? Yes, should we expect them then to share it with the greater public? No. Or well we might one day get some news in Washington post that maybe says SMIC is under investigation for providing X to Y company that makes chips for Huawei, maybe.
In 2018 or 2019 I read comments in post made in some Chinese blog about the SMEE lithography machine, some were made by i guess would be ex-employees of SMEE and most of the post there were about being overwork - management problems (I hope they solved that), but none of the post that I remember give up information that i would consider "Technical or confidencial", except for what most people already knew in the press.
Yea. Large investors, big banks, the CIA etc. They likely have their own connections but they generally keep it to themselves instead of opening discussing it.
On an unrelated note, the biggest defense is the language barrier. US Congress moves against China tend to be reactionary.
It might be, @hvpc and @FairAndUnbiased they know their stuff, but I have trouble believing that fabs workers go around telling people outside the things that happen in their work environment and much less very sensitive information like new equipment. That will mean a lack of discipline in the industry and possible breach of contracts.
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