Chinese SAM

Indianfighter

Junior Member
I am posting an old forum post by "pegasus" in PDF in 2004. It is about the Russian/Indian anti-radiation missile, the KS-172 Novator. This is exactly how he had posted it:

"'Source FORCE Defence Publication , Volume 1 No 6 April 2004 , Page 55 .

( Im not allowed to Post Article in Full So im Sumarizing the main Points )

Title of Article: India Starts Defence Exports : Joint Ventures Now yielding rich Divedends

KS -172

- Joint Venture between India's DRDO and Russias NPO Novator ( Basically means Indian Money Russian Know-how)

SpeciFications

- It is an ultra Long Range AA-M with a Development Range of 400KMs To Target AEW/AWAC Type High Value Aircrafts
- Sole Carrier in the Indian AF will be the Su-30MKI

Features ( DImensions)

- 1.4 Meter long Rocket Booster ,AAM-L

-Weight 748Kgs

- Core Diameter 0.40 Meter , Total Lenght 6.01 Meters , Span .61 Meters

-Launched by a Solid-propellant Tandem Rocket Booster

- The KS® 172 will attack its Targets with an adaptive high explosive ( HE) fragmentation warhead.

Guidance

- Secure Data-Linked Based inertial Navigation System for MidCourse Guidance ( This would probably be done by AWACS or the 2-3 MKIs Working in Tandem with their Mini AWAC Capability)

- Active Radar Homing for its Terminal Phase.

-The missile will be used against air targets flying at altitudes from 3m to 30km with speeds up to 4,000km/h and manoeuvring at up to 12g

INDO-RUSSO CO-OPERATION

DRDO and NPO will jointly Develop:

- An Active Homing Radar Seeker with a Wide Lock-On Range Which is able to recieve targeting data from the launch AC.

- Design a combined Gas/AeroDynamic Control system with 3d TVC . Provides High Manoeuvrability irrespective of launch Conditions and allows for missle launch with AC in super Manoeuvrability flight mode.

- Create and Adaptive Rapid Reaction Autopilot Which Optimises with Missile Stabilization and control Parameters within the firing range.

- Development of Special Interaction Logic btween the KS-172 Explosive Fuse and Guidance system Which ( In addition to structural and config features) gurantees absolute immunity of the Warhead detonation system to Jamming


------------------------------------------------------

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

( JANE'S MISSILES AND ROCKETS - MARCH 01, 2004)

JANE'S MISSILES AND ROCKETS - MARCH 01, 2004


Novator offers a redesigned KS-172S-1 long-range AAM
Piotr Butowski

Sukhoi has displayed a model of the Su-35 multirole fighter carrying under its wings two KS-172S-1 ultra-long range air-to-air missiles, writes Piotr Butowski. The weapon is an export variant of a missile originally offered to the Russian Air Force by the Novator Company of Yekaterinburg.

Work on the KS-172 air-to-air missile began in 1991. Alternative designations 'Izdeliye 172 (K-172)' and the anglicised 'AAM-L' have also been reported. The basis of the new weapon was the second stage of the 3M83 surface-to-air missile used by the S-300V (SA-12 Gladiator) anti-aircraft system.

A full-scale mock-up of the KS-172 was shown in front of Su-27 fighter at Zhukovsky in August 1993. but over the next 10 years there was no further news of the project. The model shown late last year has a different shape to that of the mock-up shown in 1993. Both versions have a two-stage propulsion system, but in the current KS-172S-1 design the length of the tandem-mounted booster has been increased while its diameter has been reduced. The length of the missile without booster has been reduced so that the overall length of the complete round is unchanged.

According to Novator, the KS-172S-1 is 6.0m long and weighs 700kg, dimensions which are unchanged from those announced in 1993. Its diameter has been reported as 40cm.

In the 1993 design, the nose section of the missile was of smaller diameter than the rest of the fuselage, a configuration which proves additional internal volume for the rocket motor. In the current design, the fuselage is of constant diameter, and the tail-mounted cruciform control fins are of shorter span and longer chord.

The missile is guided to the target by a multi-mode guidance system typical for beyond-visual range missiles. In the first phase of flight, guidance is by inertial navigation with command updates in the mid-course phase. An active-radar seeker is used for terminal guidance. According to earlier reports, the missile carries a directional high-explosive (HE) fragmentation warhead, probably weighing about 50kg, and initiated by a radar proximity fuze.

Maximum range of the KS-172S-1 export variant is 300km; the version proposed for Russian air forces is believed to have a range of 400km. The missile will be used against air targets flying at altitudes from 3m to 30km with speeds up to 4,000km/h and manoeuvring at up to 12g. Typical targets could include all types of aircraft (including AWACS or J-STARS platforms, tankers, reconnaissance and electronic-warfare aircraft), cruise missiles, as well as long and medium-range anti-aircraft missiles which pose a threat to the KS-172-armed fighter.

Several test launches of the KS-172 have been made, but these rounds were not fitted with a guidance system. The firing of rounds fitted only with an autopilot and programmed to fly pre-planned manoeuvres is common in the early stages of air-to-air missile programmes.

The Russian air force did not adopt the KS-172, but opted to back a competing K-37M missile offered by Vympel. It is surprising to see that the Novator weapon is now being offered for export.

This is bits of Info i Found on the Internet




Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


" Air-to-air missile. Country: Russia. Manufacturer's Designation: KS-172. Alternate Designation: AAM-L. Manufacturer: Novator NPO. Location: Ekaterinburg, Russian Federation.
Anti-AWACS missile. 1.4m booster, AAM-L, Not funded. Total Mass: 748 kg. Core Diameter: 0.40 m. Total Length: 6.01 m. Span: 0.61 m. Maximum range: 1,040 km. Boost Propulsion: Solid rocket. Cruise Propulsion: Solid rocket. Guidance: Active Radar Homing.


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


"
The Su-35 will be compatible with the new 400-km Novator KS-172 AAM-L missile. Flight testing in now reportedly complete and production has been funded.

( The Radar on both the Su-35/30MKI will be the N-011M BARS)

Source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

Indianfighter

Junior Member
Quoted by Sumdud
________________
And what does this have to do with Chinese SAM?
________________

The Novator is a Russian anti-AEWC SAM, and since China sources many technologies from Russia, we may compare this SAM with the FT-2000, and track its development.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Indianfighter said:
Quoted by Sumdud
________________
And what does this have to do with Chinese SAM?
________________

The Novator is a Russian anti-AEWC SAM, and since China sources many technologies from Russia, we may compare this SAM with the FT-2000, and track its development.

Edit:
We are happy that you can provide us with updates on india's military forces, but plz put it in the world armed forces thread. This kind of posting is off topic here.

as long as he gets the message...
 
Last edited:

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
MIGleader said:
That was the lamest excuse ive ever heard. We are happy that you can provide us with updates on india's military forces, but DO NOT HIJACK A CHINESE WEAPONS THREAD WITH THIS KIND OF OVER_PATRIOTISM. If you want to brag about the IN, IA, and IAF, go to indodefence.com or something.
don't be so hard on indianfighter. but yeah, you should post this in the world section, indianfighter. Anyhow, it's likely that China will get KS-172. Although, it is unlikely that China will actually provide funding for its development.
 

swimmerXC

Unregistered
VIP Professional
Registered Member
tphuang said:
don't be so hard on indianfighter. but yeah, you should post this in the world section, indianfighter. Anyhow, it's likely that China will get KS-172. Although, it is unlikely that China will actually provide funding for its development.

From your rhetoric we might as well stick all the Russian SAM's in this thread and European SAM's (after embargo is lifted...) :coffee:
 

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
swimmerXC said:
From your rhetoric we might as well stick all the Russian SAM's in this thread and European SAM's (after embargo is lifted...) :coffee:
well realistically speaking, S-400 is a system that China will get for its SAM, but KS-172 cannot be considered SAM. Frankly, it has not even been deployed, whereas S-400 is already deployed.
 

crazyinsane105

Junior Member
VIP Professional
tphuang said:
well realistically speaking, S-400 is a system that China will get for its SAM, but KS-172 cannot be considered SAM. Frankly, it has not even been deployed, whereas S-400 is already deployed.

Ks-172 is an air to air missile. Isn't it basically an air launched S-300 missile?
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Typhuang, i have a few questions regarding the hq-9. I know the lnad based varient has a range of 100km, but your also saying the naval varient has a range of 150km...how can that be right?

And what is the PAR that guides the hq-9?
what is the accuracy rate of the naval hq-9?
what is the rate of fire for the naval hq-9(s-300's is 1 missle per 3 seconds).



and btw,
Crazy, this thread discusses SAMs(surface to air missle). since the ks-172 is fired from the air, it is not a SAM, regardless of what it was based off of.
 
Top