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These are basically copy from an article published in 2005 on a taiwan magazine.
Chinese SAM
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These are basically copy from an article published in 2005 on a taiwan magazine.
I think he was mocking the fact that seeing how the patriot is a interceptor missle, china would not be buying s-300's to counter it. He was saying that News max is grossly inaccurate by claiming China bought s-300's to shoot down patriot.
If this article (which I find a stretch to believe) is true, does it imply the end of s-300 orders of any model, including PMU-2?
Going back to the HQ-7 VLS question, there were many speculations on HQ-7 VLS being deployed on 054/054A FFG's couple years ago. But I think the PLAN is going with a different system on the 054A.
apparently, this is from June 19th edition of PLA Daily
just basically describes a new type of Chinese SAM in training and how easy it is to operate from command center. You can just click on the tracked targets and it will show you the flight information and then choose to engage it.
just basically describes a new type of Chinese SAM in training and how easy it is to operate from command center. You can just click on the tracked targets and it will show you the flight information and then choose to engage it.
Speaking of chinese sam, parent site of this forum has updated the s-300 info section. What i find very weird is that the number of batteries acquired has jumped from 12-20 (in the previous version of the text) to 32 in the present version. It sure would be nice (and more professional) if all the sources for the entries were listed on the site, as well.
Well if one takes this report into account:
then we have to assume that China is already coming to grips with the development of a potent SAM system. They may have trouble digesting all the complicated info they got and exploiting it, but China has already shown quite an affinity for rapid modernisation (not only visible in the military, but throughout many civilian industries as well). I think by the end of this decade, or the beginning of the next, we'll b seeing some pretty impressive systems being rolled out (although let's hope they'll never have to be put into action against a target like the B-2 or the F-22a).
then we have to assume that China is already coming to grips with the development of a potent SAM system. They may have trouble digesting all the complicated info they got and exploiting it, but China has already shown quite an affinity for rapid modernisation (not only visible in the military, but throughout many civilian industries as well). I think by the end of this decade, or the beginning of the next, we'll b seeing some pretty impressive systems being rolled out (although let's hope they'll never have to be put into action against a target like the B-2 or the F-22a).
This is also confirmed in NY Times
October 11, 2007
China Announces Gains in Air Defense
By DAVID LAGUE
BEIJING, Oct. 10 — The blanket of China’s air defense radar now almost matches similar networks in developed countries, state media reported today, in an announcement that coincided with Taiwan’s first National Day military parade in 16 years.
A senior officer from Chinese Air Force headquarters, Fang Lei, said a seamless network of all-weather air defense radars had been installed to cover all Chinese airspace, according to a report on the Web site of the official military newspaper, the Liberation Army Daily.
The network’s detection and surveillance capability was “very close” to those deployed in developed countries and could also assist Chinese forces in offensive operations, the report quoted Mr. Fang as saying.
The development of a high-performance air defense system to complement China’s increasingly potent surface-to-air missiles and jet fighter interceptors has been a top priority for the People’s Liberation Army, military experts say.
Senior Taiwanese and American military officers have acknowledged the improvement in Chinese air defenses as a significant indication of the country’s rapid modernization of its military.
This system is a direct challenge for self-governing Taiwan as it seeks to counter the mainland’s growing military power. China regards the democratic island as part of its territory and has threatened to use force under a range of circumstances, including in the case of a formal declaration of independence by the government in Taipei.
In a televised National Day speech today, Taiwan’s pro-independence president, Chen Shui-bian, called on the international community to demand that China withdraw its missiles aimed at the island and halt threatening military exercises.
He also called on China to follow Taiwan’s example and adopt democracy.
“We believe that only through China’s democratic awakening can there be lasting peace in the world,” he said.
Tensions between the two sides have been mounting over the determination of Mr. Chen and his governing Democratic Progressive Party to press ahead with a public referendum on the island’s bid to enter the United Nations under the name of Taiwan rather than its official title, the Republic of China.
Senior Chinese officials have condemned the referendum as a step toward independence and warned of dangerous consequences for Taiwan.
Mr. Chen’s decision to revive the traditional military parade, on the day that commemorates the 1911 overthrow of China’s last imperial dynasty, was an effort to draw attention to the threat facing Taiwan, analysts said.
It was also aimed at galvanizing support for the ruling party ahead of legislative and presidential elections next year.
China holds its national day on Oct. 1, the date the ruling Communist Party proclaimed the People’s Republic of China in 1949.
In 1991, Taiwan’s ruling Kuomintang party halted the parades in an effort to placate Beijing.
As part of its military response to China’s buildup, Taiwan has developed a long-range, land-attack cruise missile with sufficient range to strike targets as far away as Shanghai.
There had been speculation that this missile would be paraded today alongside Taiwan’s other advanced hardware, but officials in Taipei said early this week that the weapon was still under development and would not go on display.
China has yet to react to Taiwan’s missile plan, but the Bush administration has said it is opposed to offensive missiles on either side of the Taiwan Strait.
Most analysts expect Taiwan to continue development of the missile, which would have a payload of 400 kilograms, or 882 pounds, and a range of up to 1,000 kilometers, or 621 miles, according to defense analysts and reports in military journals.
Up to 500 of the missiles could be deployed on mobile launchers on Taiwan and on the island’s warships, analysts said.
Up to the end of last year, China had about 900 short-range ballistic missiles deployed opposite Taiwan, according to the Pentagon’s annual report on China’s military published in May.
Senior governing party officials in Taiwan reject suggestions that the new missile is an offensive weapon. At a time when China’s air defenses are improving, they say, the missile would give the island’s armed forces the option of striking back at crucial military and strategic targets on the mainland if China launched an attack.
“Defense means we should be able to strike back, at least taking out their military targets to prevent second- or third-wave attacks,” said Lai I-chung, director of the Democratic Progressive Party’s Department of International Affairs. “Missiles are relatively easy and cheap and will help us meet this need.”
Until the early 1990s, when China’s military hardware was largely obsolete by Western standards, Taiwan’s more advanced strike aircraft could be expected to carry out that role.
But analysts in Taiwan say that the island’s American- and French-made strike aircraft could no longer be assured of penetrating China’s air defenses.
In addition to sophisticated surface-to-air missiles, the Chinese Air Force now has hundreds of advanced Russian-designed fighters.
And earlier this year, China unveiled a locally developed fighter that compares favorably with its current Western counterparts, according to military specialists.
As the military balance shifted in China’s favor, it was difficult for people in Taiwan to accept the Bush administration’s opposition to the new missile, Mr. Lai said. Senior defense officials in Taiwan have argued for decades that the island needs to have the capability to strike targets in China.
China’s arms buildup could also pose challenges to the United States if it is drawn into a conflict with Beijing over Taiwan. The commander of American forces in Japan, Lt. Gen. Bruce Wright, told The Associated Press earlier this month that China’s air defenses were now almost impenetrable to the American F-15 and F-16 aircraft stationed in Asia.
Only the stealthy F-22 or the Joint Strike Fighter still under development could carry out missions over China, he said.
“Our planes are much older than the planes they would be matched against,” Mr. Wright said, the Associated Press reported.
“For the first time in history, we are seeing another nation, in this case China, with newer fighters than we have.”
October 11, 2007
China Announces Gains in Air Defense
By DAVID LAGUE
BEIJING, Oct. 10 — The blanket of China’s air defense radar now almost matches similar networks in developed countries, state media reported today, in an announcement that coincided with Taiwan’s first National Day military parade in 16 years.
A senior officer from Chinese Air Force headquarters, Fang Lei, said a seamless network of all-weather air defense radars had been installed to cover all Chinese airspace, according to a report on the Web site of the official military newspaper, the Liberation Army Daily.
The network’s detection and surveillance capability was “very close” to those deployed in developed countries and could also assist Chinese forces in offensive operations, the report quoted Mr. Fang as saying.
The development of a high-performance air defense system to complement China’s increasingly potent surface-to-air missiles and jet fighter interceptors has been a top priority for the People’s Liberation Army, military experts say.
Senior Taiwanese and American military officers have acknowledged the improvement in Chinese air defenses as a significant indication of the country’s rapid modernization of its military.
This system is a direct challenge for self-governing Taiwan as it seeks to counter the mainland’s growing military power. China regards the democratic island as part of its territory and has threatened to use force under a range of circumstances, including in the case of a formal declaration of independence by the government in Taipei.
In a televised National Day speech today, Taiwan’s pro-independence president, Chen Shui-bian, called on the international community to demand that China withdraw its missiles aimed at the island and halt threatening military exercises.
He also called on China to follow Taiwan’s example and adopt democracy.
“We believe that only through China’s democratic awakening can there be lasting peace in the world,” he said.
Tensions between the two sides have been mounting over the determination of Mr. Chen and his governing Democratic Progressive Party to press ahead with a public referendum on the island’s bid to enter the United Nations under the name of Taiwan rather than its official title, the Republic of China.
Senior Chinese officials have condemned the referendum as a step toward independence and warned of dangerous consequences for Taiwan.
Mr. Chen’s decision to revive the traditional military parade, on the day that commemorates the 1911 overthrow of China’s last imperial dynasty, was an effort to draw attention to the threat facing Taiwan, analysts said.
It was also aimed at galvanizing support for the ruling party ahead of legislative and presidential elections next year.
China holds its national day on Oct. 1, the date the ruling Communist Party proclaimed the People’s Republic of China in 1949.
In 1991, Taiwan’s ruling Kuomintang party halted the parades in an effort to placate Beijing.
As part of its military response to China’s buildup, Taiwan has developed a long-range, land-attack cruise missile with sufficient range to strike targets as far away as Shanghai.
There had been speculation that this missile would be paraded today alongside Taiwan’s other advanced hardware, but officials in Taipei said early this week that the weapon was still under development and would not go on display.
China has yet to react to Taiwan’s missile plan, but the Bush administration has said it is opposed to offensive missiles on either side of the Taiwan Strait.
Most analysts expect Taiwan to continue development of the missile, which would have a payload of 400 kilograms, or 882 pounds, and a range of up to 1,000 kilometers, or 621 miles, according to defense analysts and reports in military journals.
Up to 500 of the missiles could be deployed on mobile launchers on Taiwan and on the island’s warships, analysts said.
Up to the end of last year, China had about 900 short-range ballistic missiles deployed opposite Taiwan, according to the Pentagon’s annual report on China’s military published in May.
Senior governing party officials in Taiwan reject suggestions that the new missile is an offensive weapon. At a time when China’s air defenses are improving, they say, the missile would give the island’s armed forces the option of striking back at crucial military and strategic targets on the mainland if China launched an attack.
“Defense means we should be able to strike back, at least taking out their military targets to prevent second- or third-wave attacks,” said Lai I-chung, director of the Democratic Progressive Party’s Department of International Affairs. “Missiles are relatively easy and cheap and will help us meet this need.”
Until the early 1990s, when China’s military hardware was largely obsolete by Western standards, Taiwan’s more advanced strike aircraft could be expected to carry out that role.
But analysts in Taiwan say that the island’s American- and French-made strike aircraft could no longer be assured of penetrating China’s air defenses.
In addition to sophisticated surface-to-air missiles, the Chinese Air Force now has hundreds of advanced Russian-designed fighters.
And earlier this year, China unveiled a locally developed fighter that compares favorably with its current Western counterparts, according to military specialists.
As the military balance shifted in China’s favor, it was difficult for people in Taiwan to accept the Bush administration’s opposition to the new missile, Mr. Lai said. Senior defense officials in Taiwan have argued for decades that the island needs to have the capability to strike targets in China.
China’s arms buildup could also pose challenges to the United States if it is drawn into a conflict with Beijing over Taiwan. The commander of American forces in Japan, Lt. Gen. Bruce Wright, told The Associated Press earlier this month that China’s air defenses were now almost impenetrable to the American F-15 and F-16 aircraft stationed in Asia.
Only the stealthy F-22 or the Joint Strike Fighter still under development could carry out missions over China, he said.
“Our planes are much older than the planes they would be matched against,” Mr. Wright said, the Associated Press reported.
“For the first time in history, we are seeing another nation, in this case China, with newer fighters than we have.”
mentions this new radar called 瞄-10B against cruise missiles. This will be a large part of the air defense network in China I guess.
just mentions that tomahawk like missiles have very low RCS like 0.05 sqm
The tracking range for 瞄－10B against tomahawk is 11.168 km.