Chinese Radar Developments - KLJ series and others

Anlsvrthng

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Why being bulky is a problem? These are truck mounted semi-mobile air-defence (primarily early warning) radars. They do have the mobility to follow field airbase or the AA missile batteries.
Being "km size box at 100nm" is enough to lead the AA missile to reach the stealthy fighter within 1000 meters, does it not? And within 1000 meter, bare eye balls can see the aircraft, let alone the missile. I don't see a problem for "km size".
It is more of an observation.
Nebo m has 7 element vertical count, so YLC-8b has roughly twice better vertical resolution.

The Russians wanted more mobile radar with less vertical resolution.

Actually km*km box true only for single radar, three radar can decrease the box to 100-200 meters.

And yeah, it can generate weapon quality data .
In Yugoslavia the issue of SAM batteries was the inability to get altitude data, because they used X band radar for that, and it was useless against the f117
 

DGBJCLAU

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WU Jian Qi, chief engineer of the CETC group, confirms that a metric radar detected and traced the route of an F-22 at a distance of 450 km in 2013, whereas none of the other Chinese radars saw it . Today these metric radars cover all coastal areas.

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Still according to WU, these metric radars are precise enough today to be able to guide the Chinese Navy's air and antiaircraft forces in interception missions.

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Where was this presentation given, as it seems like a public/non-sensitive one? I've heard it was a Chinese university (and not even a top one?).
 

taxiya

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Where was this presentation given, as it seems like a public/non-sensitive one? I've heard it was a Chinese university (and not even a top one?).
It was in a civilian university, which is revealed by the logo on the speech stand.

It is not Qinghua if that is what you mean by Top, but it got Ma Zedong's hand-writing of its name, that means something. Lots of Chinese top university is not really "well-known" outside of China because they were founded after 1949 and many of their departments/faculties have been reshuffled during the 1950s. For example, who is the number one of Chinese university of airplane design?
 

DGBJCLAU

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It is not Qinghua if that is what you mean by Top, but it got Ma Zedong's hand-writing of its name, that means something. Lots of Chinese top university is not really "well-known" outside of China because they were founded after 1949 and many of their departments/faculties have been reshuffled during the 1950s.

Ah so it's Anhui University. Thanks for the reminder. I still don't think it is one of the tops (by "tops" I mean maybe among the top 20 or so). Yes, I do know quite a lot Chinesen universities, but I meant no offense to this particular one and others in its league.

For example, who is the number one of Chinese university of airplane design?

Uh... Beihang? Or is it HIT? My bet is on Beihang.
 

taxiya

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Ah so it's Anhui University. Thanks for the reminder. I still don't think it is one of the tops (by "tops" I mean maybe among the top 20 or so). Yes, I do know quite a lot Chinesen universities, but I meant no offense to this particular one and others in its league.



Uh... Beihang? Or is it HIT? My bet is on Beihang.
No I don't take offense, but was only testing you since I guess from your last name "Lau" that you are not from Mainland China.

Beihang is one of the top, but many people count "The northwest polytechique university" (西工大/NWPU) as the nr. 1. Of course this is subjective judgement depending on where the person is from (regional ego). The fact is that many aircraft design faculty members of Beihang, Nanhang (Nanjing) and Qinghua etc. were taken away to form NWPU in the 1950/1960s. Effectively making NWPU the heir of these universities' aircraft design departments. These universities have to rebuild their faculties with fresh members later on.

Same thing happened to others as well like Xian Jiaotong University is to Shanghai Jiaotong University (another famous one even before 1949). Although people outside mainland China would count Shanghai Jiaotong as better due to its historical reputation, people in China would preffer Xian Jiaotong due to the post 1949 history. I was one of them when I considered which school to go.
 

ougoah

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It's rare for China to so publicly show such leakages since we know they carefully control what is said. Therefore there's a political element in allowing these "news" to be shown. Is it to warn the US and force them to upgrade their military strategies and force increased military spending, hindering public improvements and straining the budget? Is it true or made up for these purposes? If the former, does it hint at even greater abilities possessed by China because they seldom show stuff that isn't already years old while newer stuff's already out or close to finalised.

Like the recent Indian media claims of Su-30 MKI managing to spot and presumably track and target (since apparently J-20 will be easy to handle by what IAF already has), how on earth did these Chinese operators determine the tracked target is indeed a F-22 and wasn't wearing LL or had its RCS enhanced by some other means? All of these claims feel a bit iffy. Even so, it is the first time Chinese sources have leaked any serious military news with grand claims of this caliber. In the past, what was claimed has always been true wrt Chinese sources (at least I don't remember a single one that was sensationalised nonsense like the many Indian reports in recent years). Perhaps they are growing a bit confident and have more tricks up their sleeves.
 

DGBJCLAU

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It's rare for China to so publicly show such leakages since we know they carefully control what is said. Therefore there's a political element in allowing these "news" to be shown. Is it to warn the US and force them to upgrade their military strategies and force increased military spending, hindering public improvements and straining the budget? Is it true or made up for these purposes? If the former, does it hint at even greater abilities possessed by China because they seldom show stuff that isn't already years old while newer stuff's already out or close to finalised.

Like the recent Indian media claims of Su-30 MKI managing to spot and presumably track and target (since apparently J-20 will be easy to handle by what IAF already has), how on earth did these Chinese operators determine the tracked target is indeed a F-22 and wasn't wearing LL or had its RCS enhanced by some other means? All of these claims feel a bit iffy. Even so, it is the first time Chinese sources have leaked any serious military news with grand claims of this caliber. In the past, what was claimed has always been true wrt Chinese sources (at least I don't remember a single one that was sensationalised nonsense like the many Indian reports in recent years). Perhaps they are growing a bit confident and have more tricks up their sleeves.

This came from the leading scientist of the state-owned electronics group (CETC), in a powerpoint presentation delivered in a good (not best) Chinese university, with dates with regard to when the radars passed state assessment, etc. Someone among the audience (a student if I have to guess) probably took the photos and they ended up on Chinese military forums, not initially as any piece of news.

The Indian claim is from what I think an ad-hoc interview:
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and an Indian general and commander claimed they did not need to go through all the R&D and instead just utilized the yet-to-be-upgraded Su-30MKI radar from the late 1990s/early 2000s!

The Indian story makes me wonder why exactly did the Chinese (allegedly) have to go through all the hard work. The guy listed difficulties, books and other works as references, the whole deal to present his team's work. It just seems near-comical in comparison when you add up both accounts.

LL probably won't be a huge factor considering what they claimed to have used was a meterwave radar, or so I've heard. My electromagnetics is rusty. I do wonder how they confirmed what they tracked was an F-22 though, and for that part the scientist (understandably) did not make it clear.
 

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Poster claims 'Tracking' the F-22 up to 600 km away?:eek: This not just detection, but detection and tracking. If true, that is a huge leap.

I don't remember reading about anything citing "600 km"... Here're two photos I saved (can't retrieve the others, sorry).

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Hyperwarp

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how on earth did these Chinese operators determine the tracked target is indeed a F-22 and wasn't wearing LL or had its RCS enhanced by some other means? All of these claims feel a bit iffy

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Well, when the initial slides were posted, the poster claimed all other Radars were unable to detect that particular target. In the region that leaves the F-22 and F-35 right now. Back in 2013, I am not sure how many F-35 were in the region. Other predominant aircraft in the region would be F/A-18E/F, F-15J, F-15K. We could also include F-2, F-16C/D, Mirage 2K5, F-CK-.1 By now China's SIGINT systems would know the signatures of the 4th gen aircraft types.
 
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