Chinese purchase of Su-35

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member
Su-35 is useful to PLAAF. It's able to demonstrate what MKI's performance could be like. It could also show some of what Su-57's subsystems are like. PLAAF will be able to find out whether Russian claims of being able to detect stealth fighters are correct with their wing mounted L bands. If Su-35 can detect J-20 at range, Su-57 definitely can therefore Indian FGFA can too. If Su-35 cannot, it doesn't mean Su-57 cannot, but it's unlikely to. It's a way of finding out what the best and near best (for future) is like for RuAF and IAF. Also useful for:

1. Interception of Japanese and US planes without exposing signatures and radar emissions of backbone fighters.

2. Comparing domestic TVC technologies to Russian one. It takes many years if not a decade to nail TVC and if J-10 is being tested with one (assuming tests haven't been done prior to the recent leaks) that means Chinese have been working on TVC on WS-10 for many years already. Some sources indicate since at least 2012.

3. Comparing J-11D after. Since J-11D was not selected, it's either back to the drawing board to come up with something that matches or is superior to Su-35. Otherwise PLAAF has no problem buying more from Russia when domestic equipment doesn't measure up. AL-31 on J-10 is indicative that current WS-10 variants are not reliable enough. It is good to know that what is considered not good enough is not fielded or purchased from Russia where possible. This is promising since most equipment in PLAAF is now Chinese.

4. There's a possibility SAC and other guys will be able to reverse engineer certain parts of Su-35 for future Chinese flanker variants.

5. Good look at 117 engine and most powerful PESA radar on a fighter. Again things to learn from here.

Personally I think the most likely reason is to test the best Russia has to offer against PLAAF inventory without only doing exercises with Russia using J-20 that reveals too much. See if their claims on detecting stealth has merit. Su-57 doctrine is to win WVR fight. Jam, confuse etc enemy missiles until they are exhausted (F-22 only has max of 6 MRAAMs) and win WVR if merged. PLAAF wants to see Russian doctrine based equipment vs their own which follows US method of hide, shoot, run. This is important since Russia and India are the biggest air threats to China outside of USA. Su-35 offers a look into this. If it works, we'll see PLAAF use similar methods to defend against US F-35 and F-22s. Possibly even purchase a squadron or two of Su-57 in a decade. Also offers PLAAF ideas on how to overcome Russian and Indian next gen and workhorse fighters. If they don't already.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I don't care what angle you put on it Su-35 deal it was not and is not good for China

By that theory everyone should be spending billions on buying foreign equipment to test their own, this is the least efficient way for development

How much money will China lose when foreign buyers buy Russian and not Chinese due to this purchase

It brings whole Chinese aviation into question all that hard work over last 10 years
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I'll leave it to the PLAAF to judge what's good or not good for China, thank you.

Yes, everyone would like to buy adversary equipment to test their own on, but they usually are not given the chance. Can China buy 4 F-15/F-16 to play with? I don't think so. Can the US buy a couple J-10B/C to train against? No sale. Can China buy some F-35/F-22 to dissect? Even for $5 billion? Don't think so. How about US/Japan buy J-20? You get the point. It's something everyone would like to do but rarely if ever get the chance. The US was able to get some MiG-29/Su-27 after the collapse of the Soviet Union, though, and they did absolutely. China got the unique chance to get some aircraft that India uses/would like to use. These jets can also be used to buzz foreign jets/ships without giving away Chinese signals. Finally, they have a few aerodynamic and engine enhancements that are good to learn from. The only down side is that Russia won't sell a low number. So the PLAAF evaluated the pros and cons and made their call. They were on the fence for years but recently, its ally Russia really needed the money so they decided to go ahead.

No money; China does not sell any fighter that competes with Su-35.

And all those questions can be answered with the observation that China wanted to buy less than 24, not 200.
 

Quickie

Colonel
I think the PLAAF has no intention of selling the J-11x and its other flanker variant. The J-7 is a different thing from a different bygone era.
 

james smith esq

Senior Member
Registered Member
some folks think that the useless jf-17 program is the biggest no-no.
in what ways does that program benefit either the plaaf, planaf, or the CHINESE people?
answer, in no way!
now, let's wait for the sugar-coated angling to begin!
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
some folks think that the useless jf-17 program is the biggest no-no.
in what ways does that program benefit either the plaaf, planaf, or the CHINESE people?
answer, in no way!
now, let's wait for the sugar-coated angling to begin!

what are you talking about? what has it got anything to do with JF-17? you are new here, so please read the rules

JF-17 is a great fighter, but may not suit PLAAF in some cases ... but heyyy it is miles better than J-7 .....
I believe JF-17 can be used by PLAAF in some areas, i.e in the borders of some countries in the western and southern part ... cheap to purchase and operate
 

jobjed

Captain
some folks think that the useless jf-17 program is the biggest no-no.
in what ways does that program benefit either the plaaf, planaf, or the CHINESE people?
answer, in no way!
now, let's wait for the sugar-coated angling to begin!

Strengthening China's allies strengthens China too. The JF-17 is an affordable and effective way to strengthen China's ally and was fantastic practice for Yang Wei, the future chief engineer of the J-20. The investment into the JF-17 project was more than worth it.
 

2handedswordsman

Junior Member
Registered Member
some folks think that the useless jf-17 program is the biggest no-no.
in what ways does that program benefit either the plaaf, planaf, or the CHINESE people?
answer, in no way!
now, let's wait for the sugar-coated angling to begin!

Lets consider it as the first contact of Pakistani's aerospace industry with the production of a modern fighter. Why not?
 
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