b787
Captain
it is Russian it has BBC that in Russian means Russian air forceIs that what I think it is? Or is it a Russian AF one?
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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How many have been delivered so far?
China receives new batch of Russian advanced Su-35 fighter jets
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Dec 1, 2017
China has taken delivery the newt batch of the Sukhoi Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets from Russia.
Live flight-tracking website Flightradar24 also noted that an Ilyushin Il-76TD transport aircraft made by Volga-Dnepr (RA-76952), a Russian charter company, departed from Komsomolsk-on-Amur making its way to Cangzhou-Cangxian Airbase in China’s northern province of Hebei, where the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) builds Su-35s.
The Il-76TD transport aircraft was accompanying the five Su-35 fighter jets. The aircraft made a flight from Russia to China in the group.
The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) currently possesses Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets out of 24 aircraft.
China confirmed in November 2015 that it signed a $2 billion contract with Russia for the acquisition of 24 Su-35s, following more than five years of on-again, off-again negotiations for the aircraft.
On December 25, the first Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets of PLAAF landed at Suixi Airbase in Guangdong Province, the nearest Chinese airbase to the South China Sea.
China bought a large number of Su-27 and Su-30 multirole fighter jets from Russia in the 1990s and early 2000s. China also has built licensed variants. These Sukhoi planes are a pillar of the PLA Air Force and the PLA Navy’s aviation wing.
China receives new batch of Russian advanced Su-35 fighter jets
By -
Dec 1, 2017
China has taken delivery the newt batch of the Sukhoi Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets from Russia.
Live flight-tracking website Flightradar24 also noted that an Ilyushin Il-76TD transport aircraft made by Volga-Dnepr (RA-76952), a Russian charter company, departed from Komsomolsk-on-Amur making its way to Cangzhou-Cangxian Airbase in China’s northern province of Hebei, where the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) builds Su-35s.
The Il-76TD transport aircraft was accompanying the five Su-35 fighter jets. The aircraft made a flight from Russia to China in the group.
The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) currently possesses Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets out of 24 aircraft.
China confirmed in November 2015 that it signed a $2 billion contract with Russia for the acquisition of 24 Su-35s, following more than five years of on-again, off-again negotiations for the aircraft.
On December 25, the first Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets of PLAAF landed at Suixi Airbase in Guangdong Province, the nearest Chinese airbase to the South China Sea.
China bought a large number of Su-27 and Su-30 multirole fighter jets from Russia in the 1990s and early 2000s. China also has built licensed variants. These Sukhoi planes are a pillar of the PLA Air Force and the PLA Navy’s aviation wing.
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How many have been delivered so far?
China receives new batch of Russian advanced Su-35 fighter jets
By -
Dec 1, 2017
China has taken delivery the newt batch of the Sukhoi Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets from Russia.
Live flight-tracking website Flightradar24 also noted that an Ilyushin Il-76TD transport aircraft made by Volga-Dnepr (RA-76952), a Russian charter company, departed from Komsomolsk-on-Amur making its way to Cangzhou-Cangxian Airbase in China’s northern province of Hebei, where the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) builds Su-35s.
The Il-76TD transport aircraft was accompanying the five Su-35 fighter jets. The aircraft made a flight from Russia to China in the group.
The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) currently possesses Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets out of 24 aircraft.
China confirmed in November 2015 that it signed a $2 billion contract with Russia for the acquisition of 24 Su-35s, following more than five years of on-again, off-again negotiations for the aircraft.
On December 25, the first Su-35 “Flanker-E” fighter jets of PLAAF landed at Suixi Airbase in Guangdong Province, the nearest Chinese airbase to the South China Sea.
China bought a large number of Su-27 and Su-30 multirole fighter jets from Russia in the 1990s and early 2000s. China also has built licensed variants. These Sukhoi planes are a pillar of the PLA Air Force and the PLA Navy’s aviation wing.
I believe this is a "baker's dozen of 13" SU-35s on Chinese soil, I believe this is the third shipment! outstanding development for Sukhoi and the PLAAF!
3rd yes but as soon as they cross the border there are many less traces and you need a fine sleuth
If it is really 5 remains unusual Russians receive always Sukhoi fighters-bombers in even numbers in general 4
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vesicles
Colonel
I’ve moved our discussion on the Su-57 to here.
I admit that I was one of those who didn’t think China should buy the Su-35. Apparently, the PLAAF thought otherwise. I also highly doubted that China had bought them because of all the crying wolf from the Russians. Apparently I was wrong.
Please note that my objection has never been about the quality of the Su-35. I have insisted from the beginning that the Su-35 is an awesome fighter plane, one of the best. I have never questioned that. My objection of the purchase is purely from a strategic standpoint. I have always felt that China should go through the growing pain. No matter how painful it is, China needs to throw away their crutches. China needs to become independent in their weapons development programs.
And here I come again with my own uneducated opinion. The Russians asked China to join them in the development of the Su-57. But China declined. If the Chinese were truly interested in the Su-57, they would have agreed, especially when it was requested by the Russians. That was way before the J-20 came out. If the J-20 has not gone smoothly, the Chinese might also be convinced to join the Su-57 development. As far as we can tell, the J-20 is going very smoothly. There is even less incentive for the Chinese to join / buy the Su-57 at this point.
China bought only 24 Su-35’s. That suggests to me that the Chinese wanted the Su-35 for its technology, not the actual planes for use. As someone mentioned yesterday, it could be the fly control software. It sounds logical to me.
And let’s look at what’s new on the Su-57. Stealth shape? China’s own J-20 and the J-31 both have stealth shape that is, at least, as good as the Su-57. In my own opinion, the J-20 and the J-31 are both completely new designs that incorporate pure stealth tech. The Su-57, on the other hand, is a Flanker derivative.
The Su-57 have TVC. The Su-35 has them too. And China has obtained copies of the Su-35 along with its awesome engines for a while now. No need to get the Su-57 again.
Other aspects? In my own opinion, China is ahead of the Russians. And the Chinese have been ahead for a while. My own opinion.
Great Idea, I agree with everything you have posted, the only possible exception is the SU-57,, to an aviator, that baby has some potential,, it is quite a ride, I doubt its much more stealthy than a Flanker?? but, the LEVCONS, and that flat as a pancake design?? I can see the Russians buying it, and I can see that in some ways its a much more mature design than the F-31,, I do think it would make a great carrier bird, and the Russians don't look like they are gonna need one of those anytime soon..
I know this sounds kinda crazy, but the election of the Trumpster has and will continue to drive the Russians/Chinese into a mutual defensive team,,, it has to! Nobody cared about Obama? he was NO threat to the Russians or Chinese,,, the only thing Obama did that was threatening was the "Pacific Shift", it seemed wholly out of character, and it did raise eyebrows and more than a few "hackles"??
Trump on the other hand has the respect of both President Putin and President Xi, they take him very seriously! (as well they should) The US, under Trump, will defend our interests, and our Allies! (yeah, he'll send em a bill!)
If in fact China is able to launch a CATOBAR Carrier, and I believe they will, they will be looking for a 5th Gen aircraft for the boat, the J-20 really seems unlikely for that role to me??? It just doesn't seem to have any "genetics" that would adapt it to operating off the boat??
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Or there is the other opinion which is that China is getting the Su-35 with the idea that Vietnam or India might also purchase them, better to get your hands on them first to test them out and know their capabilities first hand than to experience it on the receiving end of a dogfight. That's what the US did, it bought MIG-29s from ex Warsaw Pact countries to be the aggressors in their Red Flag/Blue Flag exercises.
On the other hand, does this means that the entirety of China's aerospace industry and research is inferior ? Hardly, I know a lot of people who like to use this deal as a sticking point to prove that. But it must be remembered that this deal has possibly more implications than mere military aspects in mind, geopolitics and assistance matters just as much in this deals as well. To put it mildly Russia is on lean times with its current policies both domestic and international, and while China values its relationship with Russia. I don't think it will do something as blatantly obvious as giving free aid to Moscow just yet. 24 planes for 2 billion is a rather absurd amount.
Even if it could be justified that China had paid that amount to get the technology, one really have to wonder why Russia could not have sold them the planes much earlier or in greater numbers. This seems to suggest that China's dependence on foreign technology has declined to a point where it is no longer a must have for them. If they can get it fine, maybe they can get something out of it, if not then it is not so terrible a lost as it is portrayed to be.
And I really don't think that the J-20's engines will be receiving any input from the Su-35, keep in mind that the Su-35s arrived only just a few months ago, whereas the J-20 has progressed on to the J-20A with different engines, to have reversed engineered the Saturn engines in that short period of time would have required unearthly expertise.
Russia does makes good fighters don't get me wrong, but I am very miffed at the notion that China's decades of R&D can be so dismissed by a wave of a hand here.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
My thoughts on why the Su-35s were purchased by the PLAAF:
1. DACT. Their livery, all camouflage-y much like the OPFOR Su-30MKKs, is suggestive of this.
2. Engines. Although unlikely unless we see Su-35s being taken apart, they might use the opportunity to study the effect of TVC on flight performance and how to optimize their own Flankers (read: J-11D) in order to maximize that aspect, given the advent of TVC WS-10.
3. Stop-gap between the J-11Bs and the delayed introduction of J-11Ds. Although 24 seems to be quite a low number for this role.
1. DACT. Their livery, all camouflage-y much like the OPFOR Su-30MKKs, is suggestive of this.
2. Engines. Although unlikely unless we see Su-35s being taken apart, they might use the opportunity to study the effect of TVC on flight performance and how to optimize their own Flankers (read: J-11D) in order to maximize that aspect, given the advent of TVC WS-10.
3. Stop-gap between the J-11Bs and the delayed introduction of J-11Ds. Although 24 seems to be quite a low number for this role.
Equation
Lieutenant General
May I add:
4. To be sold to North Korea Air Force one day.