Chinese purchase of Su-35
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Yeah, I know Deino!
I just can't stand these folks that presume the authority to criticize the logics Chinese leaderships' complex procurement/development decisions that are intended to benefit Chinese processes while, at the same time, celebrating the logics of those decisions that benefit nations which are incapable of independent procurement/developmemt.
So, by their own logic, maybe the jf-17 was a mistake...
Right?
The Su-35 purchase was no mistake!
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
You are very narrow minded
If you want to take that root then first realise who facilitated the Nixon visit to China in 1972 all those years ago which then went into to contribute to the opening of China to the world
But we do not give and take in the Sino-Pak relationship it is higher and better than that
No, ... regardless any historical issues - and they are also not the topic of this thread - it is annoying why some Pakistani-fan-boys constantly bring the Su-35 will go to Pakistan and anything else like that to such topics. PAF and these Su-35 in PLAAF-service are completely irrelevant to PAF and even more to this topic.
End of this stupid and IMO nasty debate on wishful thinking.
Deino
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Su-35 will go to Pakistan ? 
First I heard that
First I heard that
Nuff said!
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Su-35 will go to Pakistan ?
Maybe for exercises. Bet the PAF pilots cannot wait till they get a chance to fly against those PLAAF Su35s. Would be a near perfect stand in for IAF MKIs.
Su-35 purchase in limited numbers is a great learning opportunity that also offers Chinese engineers a very close look at their neighbour's best fighters. If PLAAF could get their hands on some modern US legacy fighters, we would also be saying the same thing. People assume China and Russia are forever allies. Why not have a close look at a sophisticated piece of equipment two of your powerful neighbours have (or have similar types of). Where is the loss in that? The billions spent is less than short change for PRC.
I never really doubted this purchase. Only the fact it dragged on for so long showed at least one side not agreeing to offered terms. Both sides stood to gain from the deal. That's all there is to it. They eventually worked something out. I think Russia eventually caved in to 24 pieces as opposed to the minimum 48. If we see PLAAF buy more, we will know that su-35 is probably as good as the Russians claim and/or PLAAF is worse than I believe it to be.
I never really doubted this purchase. Only the fact it dragged on for so long showed at least one side not agreeing to offered terms. Both sides stood to gain from the deal. That's all there is to it. They eventually worked something out. I think Russia eventually caved in to 24 pieces as opposed to the minimum 48. If we see PLAAF buy more, we will know that su-35 is probably as good as the Russians claim and/or PLAAF is worse than I believe it to be.
I don't think it's fair to say that China is categorically more advanced than Russia in airframe design. Sure, if we're talking materials, stealth, and subsystems, the Chinese are definitely ahead, with 3D printed titanium, a better stealth design on the J-20, and EODAS, but the Russians are still doing well. The Su-57, for instance, innovates with LEVCONs and off-axis TVC, while the Su-35 has a higher fuel fraction than the J-11D.
The Chinese are still in the process of learning aircraft design; once the J-20 is fully operational, and perhaps with further upgrades to the design, can we say that China has fully caught up or surpassed Russia.