Russians have become masters at propaganda to the rest of the world while China sucks at that but is focused on propaganda towards its own citizens. It won't surprise me to find out Su-35 in China is just a show to try and get Russians some sales. I hope that is the case but probably isn't. In any case, they can keep thinking highly of their stuff all they want. Their long term customers know very well how much they oversell their equipment.
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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Russians have become masters at propaganda to the rest of the world while China sucks at that but is focused on propaganda towards its own citizens. It won't surprise me to find out Su-35 in China is just a show to try and get Russians some sales. I hope that is the case but probably isn't. In any case, they can keep thinking highly of their stuff all they want. Their long term customers know very well how much they oversell their equipment.
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Irrelevant. The black on white proof I provided showed China has not broke any contract through producing J-11 with domestic components.
Yeah, it is very tiring being forced to read fantasies coming out of Russia and Russian fanboys.I do not invent anything but only chauvinismit is very clear that some want to make believe anything and always the same in general...
Su-35 anomaly is just something we'll never figure out but it's always sometimes just fun to speculate and entertain conspiracy theories. That's all we've got re this Su-35 deal. You're absolutely right here and we'll never know why they did that but I trust their judgement is correct since they haven't screwed other things up.
Irrelevant. The black on white proof I provided showed that China has not broke any contract through producing J-11 with domestic components.
Yeah, it is very tiring being forced to read fantasies coming out of Russia and Russian fanboys.
Copied legally or not is irrelevant to us. They wanted to sell and thought Chinese couldn't reverse engineer it and gear it for PLAAF, that's their problem. They don't want to sell future models. Sure whatever. Let's not forget the Russians at Sukhoi were begging for sales of Su-35 unlike the narrative of Russian fanboys saying Russia was reluctant and delayed the sale to China for as long as they could because they knew China will copy it. That's clearly and obviously nonsensical and not factual just like their claim of S-200 being able to shoot down F-35 or antiquated Su-24 jamming modern AEGIS. Their claims are always tall and untrue so regarding Su-35, seems to me like China is either having troubles with J-11D, WS-15 troubles, helping Russia out (for whatever the reasons), just want opfor and a non domestic fighter for possible aggression in south east and east, or a combination of all those factors. The purchase does reflect well on Su-35 though. I've no doubt it's a very capable fighter and probably best non VLO in Asia today. Having 24 of those is quite a force if we don't consider USAF or USN.
Here i have more detailed i don't read tabloïds anti chinese... lookIrrelevant. The black on white proof I provided showed China has not broke any contract through producing J-11 with domestic components.
Yeah, it is very tiring being forced to read fantasies coming out of Russia and Russian fanboys.
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It doesn't matter what language it is in; stop reading Russian trash. Look:
The Su-27 deal was signed with the understanding that China would eventually indegiousnize the aircraft. The Russian aren't telling the truth when accusing China of breaking the contract for not using Russian assembly kits.
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Why are we going back to the same subject again? I thought the purchase of the Su-35 had been discussed to death a long time ago...
China did buy a small batch of the Su-35. That's it. What's there to discuss? Everybody is happy. The Russians got the money and the Chinese got an amazing fighter plane.
One thing that I am sure about is that it is a fair deal. No one is forcing anyone to do the deal at gunpoint. no one will sign the contract unless they feel it is a fair deal.
I suggest that we close this thread. We have a Chinese Flanker thread. Everything about the Su-35 can be discussed there. My 2-cent
China did buy a small batch of the Su-35. That's it. What's there to discuss? Everybody is happy. The Russians got the money and the Chinese got an amazing fighter plane.
One thing that I am sure about is that it is a fair deal. No one is forcing anyone to do the deal at gunpoint. no one will sign the contract unless they feel it is a fair deal.
I suggest that we close this thread. We have a Chinese Flanker thread. Everything about the Su-35 can be discussed there. My 2-cent
Changing the nature of the relationship has to start somewhere. $2B and 24 aircraft are significant with the potential to go further, befitting a first step.
Considering how secretive overall China is about its military equipment, it doesn't say anything that a new acquisition wasn't in a high profile event such as the last military parade.
If the Su-35s are in China for evaluation then that supports the theory that a bigger deal may be coming.
If a Su-35 deal is an unnecessarily complicated way to financially support Russia then it has to be about something else.
There certainly are factions in both countries who have major trust problems with each other but there are also factions in both countries at the very top who see the major strategic benefit, if not need, for that to change and the two to co-operate to survive/thrive in the face of containment and/or in case of hot wars with third parties which may well not be of China's or Russia's choosing.
Supposedly the Kremlin intervened to make this deal happen the way it did with planes rather than components, it's safe to assume Zhongnanhai approved of the deal from the other side. That indicates a push from factions in both leaderships to enhance defence relations especially if an aspect of it was either China overpaying for past offenses or Russia willing to do technology transfer, or a bit of both. Even if so it's merely a tentative step, so time will tell.
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That's because it isn't about the deal. It is about making Russian equipments the focus of attention. That's why certain people keep on reviving dead threads on Russian equipments, and when that fails to generate views, start polluting other threads with discussion about Russian equipments.
It's one of those slow periods in China military watching so it's fun to revisit significant mysteries especially one so recent/ongoing with a valid question of whether it is a one-off deal or a step to something else/more.