Chinese purchase of Su-35

PhageHunter

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China is in the middle of celebrating its latest military development and leadership transformation. The Russians being a party-pooper tried to push a sale on Su-35 by discrediting China's newest successes, I am sure that is a good sales strategy.
 

MiG-29

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Right now, Su35 can only supercruise in the imagination of Russian arms salesmen. In the real world, it lost to old generation F16 in Indonesia and even old Su30 in India & yet to find any buyers.
All we know right now is 117S can produce spectacular fireworks, literally, when fitted on pakfa. The rest is again just empty claims by Russian salesmen. No wonder they brought 117S to Zhuhai begging for sales and again left empty handed.

Su-35BM does supercruise, you like it or not, it does despite your denial and by the way India does buy the Su-35, but since it is twin seater it is called Su-30MKI but basicly is a twin seater Su-35

watch and tell me how many India has bought.
[video=youtube;HI5MVLc2-9w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI5MVLc2-9w[/video]

In addition to having some stealth and supercruise characteristics, the Su-35 is expected to be equipped with advanced passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar systems.The acquisition could further tip the balance of air power in the Taiwan Strait in China’s favor, as Taiwan remains unsuccessful in its requests to obtain 66 F-16C/Ds from the US, an aircraft that is almost a full generation behind the Su-35 (China’s J-20 and the US’ F-22 and F-35 are so-called fifth-generation aircraft).
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and now Su-30MKI

[video=youtube;-hq_RTaThNI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hq_RTaThNI&feature=fvst[/video]


The Engine Division at Koraput, a unit of HAL's vast network, has the unique distinction of being one amongst the few Aero Engine manufacturers in the world
AL-31FP is a high temperature turbojet by-pass engine of modular design. A specific feature of AL-31FP is an axi-symmetric vectoring nozzle with a thrust vector angle
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India does not need Su-35 because they already have a twin seater first generation Su-35, AKA Su-30MKI and will get PAKFA with better engines so is not bad quality but simply they will get better than SU-35BM
 
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MiG-29

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I dont want to put mig-29 down, but that made me laugh.
You do not put me down since we are just commenting the news, the News about Su-35 purchase by China is viewed by each member here accordingly to his or her point of view, time will tell if China buys it or not, i am not the news reporter, just a poster.
 
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Deino

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You do not put me down since we are just commenting the news, the News about Su-35 purchase by China is viewed by each member here accordingly to his or her point of view, time will tell if China buys it or not, i am not the news reporter, just a poster.

Yes, and here we all agree with You, but the point - and to admit it really nerves me, annoys and makes me angy - is that You not only post, You want to persuade !

Just take a look to the post above: A simple statement that the MKI is in Your opinion a twin-seater version of the Su-35 (what's wrong by the way, since the avioncs, the powerplant and even the structure is quite different !... anyway that's Your opinion) would be enough ... but You post a promotional-video of the MKI (irrelevant to the discussion), another video from HAL (even more irrelevant) and after only a few posts or anwers from other members all discussions are that far off from the original topic. And that's - at least IMO - very much annoying !! :(


Deino
 

MiG-29

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Yes, and here we all agree with You, but the point - and to admit it really nerves me, annoys and makes me angy - is that You not only post, You want to persuade !

Just take a look to the post above: A simple statement that the MKI is in Your opinion a twin-seater version of the Su-35 (what's wrong by the way, since the avioncs, the powerplant and even the structure is quite different !... anyway that's Your opinion) would be enough ... but You post a promotional-video of the MKI (irrelevant to the discussion), another video from HAL (even more irrelevant) and after only a few posts or anwers from other members all discussions are that far off from the original topic. And that's - at least IMO - very much annoying !! :(


Deino

No i am not wrong, airframe wise the Su-35 and Su-30MKI are the same jet, the engine remains the Al-31, Sukhoi has given different denominations to what is basicly a subvariant of Su-35UB, MKI means I for India, so is a customized version.

Second the video is not from HAL is from Sukhoi, which is a official video and the second one is from MAKS also official.

The SU-30MKI is just a mere subvariant of the Su-35UB, and the reason is when Su-30 appeared it was customized as a twin seater depending in the customer, India did not want the single seat Su-37 because it was single seat air superiority fighter and modern trend is for twin seater multirole fightrers like F-15E.

So the technologies of Su-37 were transfered to Su-30 and these included upgrades to the engines and indigenization of the avionics by India and customizing the avionics with non Russian avionics.


На первом прототипе Су-30МКИ установили предсерийные двигатели АЛ-31ФП с управляемым вектором тяги, которые в процессе подготовки к первому полету прошли длительные специальные испытания. Как и на Су-37, сопла двигателей Су-30МКИ отклонялись в пределах 15╟ вверх и вниз, но отличались тем, что плоскость поворота каждого сопла была отклонена на 32' во внешнюю сторону от плоскости симметрии самолета Таким образом, при дифференциальном отклонении сопел улучшалась и боковая управляемость истребителя на околонулевых скоростях полета.

In the first prototype of the Su-30MKI set pre-production of the AL-31FP engines with thrust vector control, which in the process of preparing for the first flight of long special tests. As the Su-37, the engine nozzle Su-30MKI swivel within 15 degrees up and down, but the difference is that the plane of rotation of each nozzle was increased to 32 degrees to the outside of the plane of symmetry plane Thus, differential deviation improved nozzles and lateral control fighter at near-zero speeds.
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Now Russia got Su-30SM which is the Russian version of Su-30MKI, tell me where is SU-35UB?

well Su-35UB is just basicly the twin seater Russian version of Su-30MKI but as a trainer of Su-35/Su-27M.

If you want to call Su-35UB different than Su-30MKI or SU-30SM is pure Sukhoi internal denominations because each version has some specifics due to the customer, but basically are the same airframe with canards and TVC nozzles.

So India has an indiginized Su-35UB, which for internal purposes is called Su-30MKI, Su-35BM is different because it lacks canards and has a new engine and new avionics, but most of the airframe is basicly a Su-27B with a new airfoil and more composites

now see these
Су-30МК не стал последним в обширной программе модернизации истребителей "тридцатой" серии. Силами КнААПО удалось разработать и в 2000 году завершить постройку еще одного варианта двухместного многоцелевого самолета - Су-35УБ (Т-10УБМ). Его испытания начались осенью того же года в Жуковском. Первая опытная машина имеет темно синий бортовой номер "801" и окрашена в голубой, синий и темно синий цвета. Из названия истребителя можно было бы сделать вывод что он является учебно-боевой модификацией самолета Су-35. Однако это совсем не так. Самолет должен был вобрать в себя все лучшее, что было сделано на Су-37 и обоих вариантах Су-30МК - Су-30МКИ и Су-30МКК. На нем планировалось установить самую совершенную авионику и доработанные двигатели АЛ-31ФП, у которых сопло поворачивалось бы в двух плоскостях (сначала прототип был оснащен обычными АЛ-31Ф). По проекту Су-35УБ отличался от Су-30МКК двигателями наличием ПГО и более совершенной бортовой РЛС, а от Су-30МКИ - двигателями и килями увеличенной высоты, толщины и площади (как на Су-35 и Су-30МКК), что позволяло увеличить дальность полета по сравнению с Су-30МКИ. Установка более совершенного оборудования, в частности, бортовой РЛС Н011М, позволит применять на Су-35УБ всю номенклатуру серийных и перспективных ракет и бомб классов "воздух-воздух" и "воздух-поверхность

The aircraft was to have the best that has been done on the Su-37 and both versions of the Su-30MK - Su-30MKI and Su-30MKK. It was planned to establish the most advanced avionics and modified engines AL-31FP

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An a detail i do not persuade. i express my opinion as you do, plus in the forum rules there nothing against expressing opinions
 
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Hyperwarp

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Su-35BM does supercruise, you like it or not, it does despite your denial and by the way India does buy the Su-35, but since it is twin seater it is called Su-30MKI but basicly is a twin seater Su-35...

Wait a minute!

Su-35UB was developed from the Original Su-35 (Su-27M) and not the Su-35 (Su-27M2/BM). Current Su-35 can supercruise. The current Su-35 is literally a ground up re-designed Flanker. But the Su-35UB you are referring to has little or no connection to the Su-35BM.

And how is there a connection between Su-30MKI and the Su-35UB? MKI and variants are by IAPO while Su-35 (Su-27M), Su-35UB (Su-27UM) are by KnAAPO.

IAPO prior to Su-30MKI was doing the Su-27UB, Su-27PU etc.
 

MiG-29

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Wait a minute!

Su-35UB was developed from the Original Su-35 (Su-27M) and not the Su-35 (Su-27M2/BM). Current Su-35 can supercruise. The current Su-35 is literally a ground up re-designed Flanker. But the Su-35UB you are referring to has little or no connection to the Su-35BM.

And how is there a connection between Su-30MKI and the Su-35UB? MKI and variants are by IAPO while Su-35 (Su-27M), Su-35UB (Su-27UM) are by KnAAPO.

IAPO prior to Su-30MKI was doing the Su-27UB, Su-27PU etc.

Sukhoi is the designer, In Russia a factory can manufature aircraft from different designs bureaux.
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Su-35KUB was a modernized Su-30MKI like Su-30MKI was a modernized and twin seater Su-37, Su-37 is called Su-27M aka Su-35.

The different denominations are to specify some qualities or customers.


Su-35BM is much modernized Su-35/Su-27M, yes the Su-35BM is superior and better than old Su-37 (Su-27M bort 711) or SU-27M

But Sukhoi owns all Su-27 variants
 

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Sukhoi is the designer, In Russia a factory can manufature aircraft from different designs bureaux.
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Su-35KUB was a modernized Su-30MKI like Su-30MKI was a modernized and twin seater Su-37, Su-37 is called Su-27M aka Su-35.

The different denominations are to specify some qualities or customers.


Su-35BM is much modernized Su-35/Su-27M, yes the Su-35BM is superior and better than old Su-37 (Su-27M bort 711) or SU-27M

But Sukhoi owns all Su-27 variants


Oh come on ! :mad: ... and as such since the Su-33 is also a Flanker it is also a Su-37 is also a MKI is also a .... is a Flanker made by Sukhoi !

... and by the way we are one again far off from the original topic ! :mad:

I think we should close that tread until new news appear ... most likely just prior to the Zhuhai 2014.

Deino
 

SteelBird

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Re: China Flanker Thread II

I have never heard this before, is it one of the reasons that China is going to buy Su-35? Any expert confirm this? Personally, I think China has no problem designing J-15, an alternative to Su-33, they shouldn't have much problem with J-11B.

“The J-11B program is in big trouble; the Chinese have lost a lot of aircraft in crashes,” said the U.S. source. “They have also reached a technological plateau and need help going to the next step beyond the Su-27/J-11.”

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