Chinese purchase of Su-35

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Re: China Flanker Thread II

I have never heard this before, is it one of the reasons that China is going to buy Su-35? Any expert confirm this? Personally, I think China has no problem designing J-15, an alternative to Su-33, they shouldn't have much problem with J-11B.



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According to Pupu the 4th gen fighters produce by the CAC and SAC might not be present in sufficient enough quantities to replace the 3rd gen fighters and early 4th gen fighters (first batch of Su-27) that will retire in the near future. I am not buying it though.
 

plawolf

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Re: China Flanker Thread II

I have never heard this before, is it one of the reasons that China is going to buy Su-35? Any expert confirm this? Personally, I think China has no problem designing J-15, an alternative to Su-33, they shouldn't have much problem with J-11B.



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'American sources' could just be some yank with a tin foil hat talking trash on talk trash radio.

If something looks and smells like BS, I will treat it as such until there is credible evidence to suggest otherwise. I honestly cannot understand why someone would give silly stories more weight just because it has 'American sources' slapped onto it. technically, some FLG nutter who got an American green card could qualify as an 'American' source.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Re: China Flanker Thread II

Here is another version of the story: Su-35 is bound with S-400 for sales. This story could be true IF China does want to buy S-400. One can verify this as truth or fake unless he has more reliable sources while I don't. So please, the experts give your idea.

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Engineer

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Re: China Flanker Thread II

Here is another version of the story: Su-35 is bound with S-400 for sales. This story could be true IF China does want to buy S-400. One can verify this as truth or fake unless he has more reliable sources while I don't. So please, the experts give your idea.

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Putting the truthfulness of such story aside, Russia has tried similar tactics before on IL-76 deal, Su-33 and carrier equipments. Those tactics didn't work then, and China isn't going to let them work now. Then, there is the issue that Su-35 cannot be fit into Chinese force structure. The aircraft does not have Chinese data link, so cannot get support from AWACs and AEWs. The Su-35 doesn't carry Chinese radars so cannot use Chinese weapons, and cannot take advantage of the technological leaps seen in Chinese ordinances. What's more, the Su-35 shares very little with Su-27 aside from external appearance. That would mean a new and dedicated line for logistical support is needed, and it makes no sense for China to complicate its own logistical infrastructure just to support a few handicapped planes. The idea that China would import the Su-35 for use within PLAAF is unrealistic.

Some die hard fan boys of Su-35 will argue that there are technologies on Su-35 that China wants. However, the reality is that the Su-35 has little to offer. Avionics wise, China already has AESA whereas the Su-35 still flies with PESA. J-11B is already flying with holographic HUD, whereas the HUD on Su-35 is a generation behind. Engine wise, the 117S isn't going to bring anything new to the table, since the most important thing in an engine are material science and manufacturing processes that can't be reverse engineered. Anything that could be learned would come in too late to be of any help to WS-15's development. The 117S isn't going to be flown on J-20 ever since engine supply is non existence. China is also working on the WS-10G in case WS-15 fails, and there is no need for Russian engines at all. In short, China doesn't need to improve its own technologies through Su-35 either.

The idea that China will buy something useless just because it is bounded to some other purchase is silly.
 

Engineer

Major
Re: China Flanker Thread II

I have never heard this before, is it one of the reasons that China is going to buy Su-35? Any expert confirm this? Personally, I think China has no problem designing J-15, an alternative to Su-33, they shouldn't have much problem with J-11B.


“The J-11B program is in big trouble; the Chinese have lost a lot of aircraft in crashes,” said the U.S. source. “They have also reached a technological plateau and need help going to the next step beyond the Su-27/J-11.”

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Let's analyze the statements you have quoted and you will realize the article is full of shit. Yes, there have been crashes within PLAAF with the most recent one being a J-7. However, those crashes has no relation to J-11B whatsoever. The claim that J-11B is in trouble is unsubstantiated and is nothing more than a fallacy called
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. The next step beyond the Su-27/J-11 is the J-11B, and the next step beyond J-11B is J-16. Not to forget is the existence of J-20 and 31001 that are even more technologically advanced. There is no technological plateau at Su-27/J-11 level unlike the article has claimed.
 
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Speeder

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Re: China Flanker Thread II

Let's analyze the statements you have quoted and you will realize the article is full of shit. Yes, there have been crashes within PLAAF with the most recent one being a J-7. However, those crashes has no relation to J-11B whatsoever. The claim that J-11B is in trouble is unsubstantiated and is nothing more than a fallacy called
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. The next step beyond the Su-27/J-11 is the J-11B, and the next step beyond J-11B is J-16. Not to forget is the existence of J-20 and 31001 that are even more technologically advanced. There is no technological plateau at Su-27/J-11 level unlike the article has claimed.

The "logical" propaganda value of "China's buying of Su-35" is that

"since the export version of watered down Su-35 is good at radar, engine and avionics, it explains why so called '5th gen' J-20 and J-31 are no more than an empty shell that can not progress further without copying those sub systems found in the former"

I bet many arguments along the line are allover internet as we speak powered by the "cognitive giants"... :p
 

Lion

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Re: china purchase su35?

Sorry, nothing comfirm yet and it will not happened. This news has reported few months ago. Since no comfirmation from Chinese xinhua or defence side. It's another rubbish rumour from Russian media again.
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
Re: china purchase su35?

just saw this wasn't sure its rumor or not. there are those who says, puchase of su35 will provide j20 117 engine technology
Китай будет получать собранные истребители Су-35
Latest reports from Russia read, China will recieve Su-35

Russia`s Rosorobonexport and China`s government agreed for the purchase at the end of 2012.

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This same report says the Vice-premier Dimitry Rogozin stated that Chinese representatives will decide the date for signing the contract in the next two weeks.


По словам вице-премьера Дмитрия Рогозина, в ближайшие две недели в Россию прибудут представители китайского руководства, на переговорах с которыми будут согласованы сроки подписания контракта.
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