Equation
Lieutenant General
You lack civility...period.
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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Equation
Lieutenant General
My guess would be the PLAAF would learned as much of the inferior plane as possible and than perhaps give it to one of their allies in the future.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I think the best way to tell how they will be used and if more are coming would be the support package. Weapons, Spare parts, tech support.
OVT is in fact a game changer, aircraft that have OVT are not bound by aerodynamic maneuvering, but are in fact able to move the aircraft about with "vectored thrust" , pushing the tail up, down, right or left with the Russian OVT. The F-22 would not be the F-22 without it, the SU-35 would not be the SU-35 without it, they are indeed super-maneuverable a criteria of ATF, leading to the F-22.
In fact it is quite helpful in every flight regime, if you wish not to go post stall and burn all your energy, you simply maintain your airspeed and energy, that OVT still gives you enhanced control authority!
Yeah, I hear ya, but it really doesn't matter to US what brand they are?? LOL but 24 aircraft are indeed a game changer, and even though they are not 5th Gen, they are very capable?? the fact that they are likely more maneuverable than the F-35 no doubt helps their sales pitch, in fact some of the experts are "real sure" that the SU-35 is far superior to the F-35.
but the fact is they are "Big and Shiney" on radar! and they will never see those F-35s or F-22s, but hey it sounds good, and they are no doubt very maneuverable, likely more so than the F-35, FC-31, or J-20, but the F-35 and the J-20 are NO doubt much, much, more stealthy, and that is ultimately what will decide 90% plus of the mano a mano engagements in future air combat, and yes, I would definitely choose the F-35 over the SU-35.
What they really do offer, is capability right now, as of tonight, there are only 4 in China, this time next year??? their could be 24??? or maybe there will still be only 4??? who knows on this rodeo ride, I think the "clowns have taken over the rodeo?? while I was initially convinced this was a great deal for China, I still think those Chinese Flankers are nicer airplanes, and ultimately we will see whose avionics are superior, now that the Chinese have their hands on those 4 Russian birds?? LOL
Hyperwarp
Captain
The 1st batch of 26 Su-27SK/UBK was bought in 1992, 2nd batch of 24 in 1996 and 3rd batch of 28 in 2000. So the 1st batch of 24 Su-35SK is not unusual not to mention how expensive the Su-35 is.
Hui Tong has this to say:
I agree with the above sentiment. Avionics wise the J-11D will have systems similar to the J-10C. If the J-11D is going to be powered by a WS-10IPE variant that can supercruise (with a bonus of TVC integration) then more Su-35SK will not be required. Requirement for more Su-35SK will depend on how successful the J-11D is going to be not mention how fast they can produce them.
Twin-seat J-16 takes on the roles of the Su-30MKK, JH-7A and Q-5. They are the attack air-craft of the PLAAF.
Hui Tong has this to say:
I agree with the above sentiment. Avionics wise the J-11D will have systems similar to the J-10C. If the J-11D is going to be powered by a WS-10IPE variant that can supercruise (with a bonus of TVC integration) then more Su-35SK will not be required. Requirement for more Su-35SK will depend on how successful the J-11D is going to be not mention how fast they can produce them.
Twin-seat J-16 takes on the roles of the Su-30MKK, JH-7A and Q-5. They are the attack air-craft of the PLAAF.
b787
Captain
did not you call me troll, do you call that civility? i was right do you want me to apologize to you for being right?
b787
Captain
why do you think China got soviet jets?
Su-35 has radar signature decremented to 1 squared meter, an F-15 of 1979 was 25 Square meters
The original 1986 Su-27 had a RCS of 15 squared meters
Even Trump is thinking the Boeing F-18E can beat the F-35
The Su-35 was bought not because is inferior but because is superior to the Chinese made Flankers, and at least will fill the gap until the J-20 is powered with a 5th generation engine
vesicles
Colonel
Superior? Why do you think there had been so much confusion about the sale of the Su-35? It's because the Russians kept big-mouthing about the sale, which never materialized until the end of last year.
If a product is superior, buyers line up to get it. People set up camps outside an Apple Store to get iPhones. If a product is inferior, Manufacturers need to employ various strategies to make their products more attractive so that they can make some sales. What the Russians had been doing with the Su-35 did not come across as they were selling a superior product.
All the premature announcements did not come across as a show of confidence.
This is not really an argument against the capability of the Su-35. How many countries would really be in the market for a fighter like the Su-25? Whereas the poorest jungle dweller in SE Asia will have access to cell phones, the market for a 4.5gen fighter is really not very big at all, and for a Russian fighter is even less. It's really just China and a few other countries, like India, Iran, etc. Just because countries aren't lining up to buy the Su-35 doesn't mean it is not a good fighter.
vesicles
Colonel
That's not what I meant. What I was attempting to convey is that one with a superior product should hold the confidence to show for it. All the crying wolf and all the over-eagerness. The Russians didn't act like they were selling a superior product. And you compare that with how the US is dealing with the F-35? Have they begged people to buy their F-35's?