Chinese purchase of Su-35

b787 said:

By 2018 PD-14 will be tested in MS-21 and by 2025 this aircraft and engine can be used by multiple countries and programs, in fact PD-14 will spawn an entire family of engines, even one that will power SSJ-100

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Can be used and will be used by multiple countries are completely different things. Do you genuinely think for whatever little non-Russian/CIS sales MC-21 manage to achieve, the customer will go with the PD-14 option instead of the Pratt & Whitney option?

Equation said:

OR helped the Russian to figure out the flaws in their Su35 program so that they can than translate their super late and much delayed T-50 PAK FA program in regards to the engine problem.

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Why would China help Russian to figure out the flaws of SU-35?

When I bought a new super expensive toys, I wouldn't want to play around to help manufacturer find the flaws

hlcc said:

Can be used and will be used by multiple countries are completely different things. Do you genuinely think for whatever little non-Russian/CIS sales MC-21 manage to achieve, the customer will go with the PD-14 option instead of the Pratt & Whitney option?

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have you ever read the accident production rates of Russian / western aircraft?

To your surprise, some Russian aircraft are very safe, Tu-204 for example, same is Il-96, however these aircraft flew in the cold war years, by the 1990s western firms like Boeing and airbus entered the CIS, the reason was economy fuel economy, PD-14 is an attempt to fix that.

Ms-21 is not different, first the PD-14 is designed like the Pratt and Whitney engine as an option, some customers will go for the P&W engine others for PD-14, it is the same with any Boeing aircraft, they are not always fitted with american engines, but PD-14 will spawn an entirely family of Engines, Al-31 did the same, in fact the engine powering Su-35 is a derivative, but its SFC is not the needed for a full blown derivative of PAKFA, for a Flanker derivative it is okay, for a interim engine for PAKFA it is okay.
The P&W engine is the same for a full blown Russian aircraft is not enough, you need PD-14, it will spawn the development of several variants, variants of 10 tonnes of thrust as well and 25-30 tonnes of thrust , so regardless you think the P&W is better, the UEC is designing the engine.

Su-35 was cleared for export because is not really a 5th generation engine, China is not getting the engine it will need for a real J-20 fully developed version, only for a Su-27 clone with limited supercruise and TVC nozzle authority, and perhaps an interim engine for J-20 and a very advanced version of J-10.

So Su-35 was cleared for export in the right time 2015 (by that i mean agree to be exported to China when they signed the contract) when Type 30 was almost finished its development

It's entirely to have religious discussions in a thread about su-35. Stop it or face suspension.

b787 said:

have you ever read the accident production rates of Russian / western aircraft?

To your surprise, some Russian aircraft are very safe, Tu-204 for example, same is Il-96, however these aircraft flew in the cold war years, by the 1990s western firms like Boeing and airbus entered the CIS, the reason was economy fuel economy, PD-14 is an attempt to fix that.

Ms-21 is not different, first the PD-14 is designed like the Pratt and Whitney engine as an option, some customers will go for the P&W engine others for PD-14, it is the same with any Boeing aircraft, they are not always fitted with american engines, but PD-14 will spawn an entirely family of Engines, Al-31 did the same, in fact the engine powering Su-35 is a derivative, but its SFC is not the needed for a full blown derivative of PAKFA, for a Flanker derivative it is okay, for a interim engine for PAKFA it is okay.
The P&W engine is the same for a full blown Russian aircraft is not enough, you need PD-14, it will spawn the development of several variants, variants of 10 tonnes of thrust as well and 25-30 tonnes of thrust , so regardless you think the P&W is better, the UEC is designing the engine.

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You are joking right? You are using Tu-204 & IL-96 as evidence to support your theory that some Russian aircraft are very safe? Considering how few Tu-204 are in service anywhere, the fact that there's already been 2 accidents translates into an absolutely terrible accident rate.

hlcc said:

You are joking right? You are using Tu-204 & IL-96 as evidence to support your theory that some Russian aircraft are very safe? Considering how few Tu-204 are in service anywhere, the fact that there's already been 2 accidents translates into an absolutely terrible accident rate.

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rate means an average for you information the B-737 has more accidents by number than any Tupolev aircraft, but by rate Tu-240 has the equivalent accident rates to B-767 and B-757

Medieval time is among the darkest days of human history, yet some people tries to make it sound like a beacon of civilization. Nothing is more absurd than that, not to mention it is entirely off topic. How the sale of su-35 makes b787 over zealous is beyond my understanding. What purpose does that kind of claim serve anyway. It has nothing to do with history or reality.

A supposed win-win deal turns into baseless political-religious fanfare. I don't know I should laugh or fell sad.

longmarch said:

How the sale of su-35 makes b787 over zealous is beyond my understanding. .

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you said deal is never going to happen, only that, now you attack me because you have no way to get out of your mistake, the only person i saw was open and honest was Thuang, he admitted the possibility, this thread was opened and closed in ridiculous ways claiming the Russian media was telling lies, now not even a week ago people were claiming close the thread, the whole thread showed your theories wrong.

Now your tactic is go off topic but i do not care i am very happy i proved most of you wrong Su-35 is in China and you even bet with me for an apology, so yes i won
You are like this

b787 said:

rate means an average for you information the B-737 has more accidents by number than any Tupolev aircraft, but by rate Tu-240 has the equivalent accident rates to B-767 and B-757

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what's your source for the claim that Tu-204 have equivalent accident rates as B757 & B767? FYI, both B757 & B767 were affected by the Sept 11th terrorist high jacking

b787 said:

ridiculous ways claiming the Russian media was telling lies

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The Russian media does tell lies, there are even websites dedicated to exposing the lies in Russian media reports.