Chinese purchase of Su-35

Can I have an SU 35 for Christmas?

hlcc said:

So the secrets to aircraft engine development is Christianity...... interesting

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for you is to hard to understand but i will tell you this, the last 2000 years have been the years of Christianity and Judaism, and something you do not know, is Russia is returning to its Christian past, because is a set of morals based upon Judaism, Judaism is the core civilization of Islam and the West.

Russia is fighting abortion through Christianity, the USA had its highest point of power in the 1950s when Christianity was at its peak, Europe was and is the result of Christianity, its decay has been the decay of Christianity.


But i am not to argue that here it is about Su-35, you declared China did not need Su-35, for over 8 years your arrogance fed your pride of most forum members fed you that feeling, now your arrogance has been put to shame, tell me me where are the guys laughing and asking for closing the thread now? saying the deal is never going to happen .

All those guys were arrogant,you lacked humility except by Thuang, who is humble and admitted facts most of you were arrogant, because you can not admit China first need to learn there is nothing bad about learning humility comes first before glory, China has the capability, i have no doubt, has excellent engineers, but here there were fans that can not admit your nation first has to learn so now i proved you wrong, not because i am Christian, but because i know all in life we need to learn, no one knows everything, even a genius has to have a teacher.

latenlazy said:

You may want to actually *look* into where China's research on gas turbine technologies are before writing. They've had academic studies that spec out a 10 T:W capable engine design and different components needed to fulfill such capabilities that are a decade and a half old now (search DD9 single crystal superalloy). I'm doubtful they would get much looking at the 117s, especially with the WS-15 well into the testing process. If the deal included Type 30 engines I think there would be merit to the engine argument, but not where China is at with engines today.

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look Russia is unlikely to give you type 30 at least for the next 20 years, 117 was requested by the Chinese but Russia said without Su-35s no way, and China gets a pair of 117s as a spare for each Su-35.

China will study the engines and very likely use the Su-35 in the south China sea, China at this moment has no engine like 117S

b787 said:

look Russia is unlikely to give you type 30 at least for the next 20 years, 117 was requested by the Chinese but Russia said without Su-35s no way, and China gets a pair of 117s as a spare for each Su-35.

China will study the engines and very likely use the Su-35 in the south China sea, China at this moment has no engine like 117S

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Who is "you"? I'm American. I do not expect China to get their hands on the Type 30 unless the WS-15 is a failure, and so far that doesn't look to be the case. Unless I missed something, I have never seen any primary source that suggests China only wanted the 117s and had to agree to buying the whole plane to acquire it. That has always been speculation, and a poorly founded one at that. China at this moment has uprated versions of the WS-10 and maybe the AL-31 FM2. They have the WS-15 in testing. The 117s is hardly special.

I hear recent exercise, J20 had 10:0 kill ratio slaughtered against J10, J11, SU30. Now it's SU35 's turn aginst the monster.

tidalwave said:

I hear recent exercise, J20 had 10:0 kill ratio slaughtered against J10, J11, SU30. Now it's SU35 's turn aginst the monster.

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would not be smarter to send it to aviadarts?　the monster can be sent to Russia no need to buy it for that reason, why they bought it? just to have an advanced trainer? does not Russia fly PAKFAs in aviadarts? have not Russia fly PAKFAs versus other aircraft?

latenlazy said:

Who is "you"? I'm American. I do not expect China to get their hands on the Type 30 unless the WS-15 is a failure, and so far that doesn't look to be the case. Unless I missed something, I have never seen any primary source that suggests China only wanted the 117s and had to agree to buying the whole plane to acquire it. That has always been speculation, and a poorly founded one at that. China at this moment has uprated versions of the WS-10 and maybe the AL-31 FM2. They have the WS-15 in testing. The 117s is hardly special.

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Su-35 is not a regular Su-27 not even aerodynamics or structure and materials, but of course 117S is the jewel, i do not doubt you are american, are you Chinese-american?

b787 said:

would not be smarter to send it to aviadarts?　the monster can be sent to Russia no need to buy it for that reason, why they bought it? just to have an advanced trainer? does not Russia fly PAKFAs in aviadarts? have not Russia fly PAKFAs versus other aircraft?

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come on now, J20 is top secret
India will get PAK-FA, can't let the russians leak J20 spec to the Indians.

But don't worry, China will offer to buy another 24 PAK-FA in case India defects to US for F35.
China will use PAK-FA like SU35.

S400 is next and Yasen deal after that,

China wants more than 117 engine.
Yes, China still need to be humble and learn from Russia. But Russia can't be Stingy and withholding the knowledge from its strategic partner.

tidalwave said:

come on now, J20 is top secret
India will get PAK-FA, can't let the russians leak J20 spec to the Indians.

But don't worry, China will offer to buy another 24 PAK-FA in case India defects to US for F35.
China will use PAK-FA like SU35.

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yes China will buy PaKFA with 117s, but Russia will not sell you type 30 Russia always sell monkey variants

Russians should see the attitude difference between Japanese and Chinese. Japan feels Russia took their 4 small islands and want them back nowdays.

and now look at China. Russia took the whole eastern Siberia and Sakhalin from Manchuria, China.
Does China yelling everyday like Japan want them back? No. China already acknowledged that's Russian territory already.

So, its only fair for Russian to drop its suspicions against China and give as much technical assistance to China as some sort compensations.