Chinese purchase of Su-35

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Schumacher

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Lion said:
2 years? When its signed then we talk about it. I bet after 2 years will still be hot air.
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In other countries, they make press statements for publicity when achievements are actually made
like deals signed or products delivered.
But with Russia, they announce deals that MAY be signed in TWO YEARS. LOL
Looks like they don't expect any real achievements for a long time and they plan to juice this China rumor for as long as they can.
The Russian arms industry is reduced to antics worse than those of used cars salesmen.
 
siegecrossbow

siegecrossbow

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This isn't beating a dead horse... This is more like decapitating the horse, stitching it back together, resurrecting it through necromancy, burning it in a crematorium, and flogging the skeletal remains until nothing is left.
 
SteelBird

SteelBird

Colonel
MiG-29 said:
Russia in the next two years may sign a contract to sell 24 SU-35 fighter jets to China's Air Force for more than $1.5 billion, the daily writes citing sources.

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Perhaps you should read this bold paragraph first.

Nov 20 (Reuters) - The following are some of the leading stories in Russia's newspapers on Tuesday. Reuters has not verified these stories and does not vouch for their accuracy.
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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
jackliu said:
The deal is NOT sealed unless both side confirms it. So far there is no words coming out of China.

But I'll play the devil's advocate here. What would China do with them? Only Russian weapons work on the planes, so what weapon that Russia have that is so much superior than what China have so that prompt them to purchase Su-35.

Logistics, how will China service this planes, can it do it by themselves or do they have to keep purchasing from Russia to service it.

And lastly, just what technology that SU-35 have, which China is severely lacking behind, that they can learn from it?

I don't think there is much China can learn from the radar or composite material or electronics, and probably NOT Engine as well, 117S may be superior than WS-10, but those two are totally different engines from ground up I doubt they will help WS-10 development. But what other areas can China possibly learn?

Or would this be a extortion from Russia? That if you purchase my SU-35 just this once, I'll forever drop my loyalty claim from your SU-27 copies like I did with your J-7s?
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I think more along your last line of argument. This purchase if it goes through wouldn't be due to anything 'lacking' from a SU-35 technology standpoint but rather be political or economics related. If any transfer of technology or knowledge is involved it would be something else that is not directly related to what's inside or outside SU-35
 
MiG-29

MiG-29

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Lion said:
2 years? When its signed then we talk aboutt it. I bet after 2 years will still be hot air.
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Russia and China have clinched a preliminary agreement on the delivery of 48 Sukhoi Su-35BM fighter jets to the Chinese air force, sources in Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation said on Wednesday.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
MiG-29 said:
good logic so Saturn will re-engine the rest of the Su-27 chinese fleet wow so then saturn is right when they say:

During the last two and a half years China has acquired Russian engines to the amount of $4 billion; thanks to these contracts Salut has workload until 2015. It is expected that China will order more AL-31F engines in future (this refers to the high-powered modifications). At that the 140 ordered engines will have the increased thrust.
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Yes, China will keep buying AL-31 engine in the next 5 years or so .. so what ?

$1.5 or $2B is obviously good business for Saturn ... so what .. it is win-win situation. $2B is nothing for China considering they have over $3.5T reserve .. perhaps only a few days interest.

China buy engine from Russia .. doesn't mean they can't produce them .. seems you don't understand the concept, sadly :)
 
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Lion

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antiterror13 said:
Yes, China will keep buying AL-31 engine in the next 5 years or so .. so what ?

$1.5 or $2B is obviously good business for Saturn ... so what .. it is win-win situation. $2B is nothing for China considering they have over $3.5T reserve .. perhaps only a few days interest.

China buy engine from Russia .. doesn't mean they can't produce them .. seems you don't understand the concept, sadly :)
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Same like the Mil-17 licensed produce under china. They have the Z-8 military chopper but they still get the licensed produced of Mi-17.
 
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