Chinese purchase of Su-35
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AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I glanced at the first page of this thread and didn't realize it was a done deal of 48 Su-35s initially. I thought it was 36. So why is the fighter China desperately needs half in numbers now?
hehe, you just hit the spot of our deal makers in this forum.
But unfortunately you will never be able to kill this deal.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
hehe, you just hit the spot of our deal makers in this forum.
But unfortunately you will never be able to kill this deal.
This debate has always been about the pride and thought police. They were devastated when the J-20 emerged because before they thought it was impossible China could develop a stealth fighter and now they've been relegated to nitpicking the details. It's just like David Axe going after Chinese netizens claiming they were defacto spies for the US by posting pictures of the J-20. And that was after that video of the J-20 landing from its first flight and the Chinese public was there crowding the perimeter cheering as it landed. They didn't like that.
look at the production rate of J15? Two yrs generated about 10.
J20 with AL3F engines are Not very appealing.
On top of that, what would be beJ20 production rate? maybe 5 a yr.
Assuming production start J20 at 2017, it would take 5 yrs to achieve 25 of J20.
By 2025, China would have 25 of J20 and maybe 30 of J11D.
So, nothing wrong to get some Su35 ASAP to complement them.
China have serious production rate issue anyway and that's not even debatable.
J20 with AL3F engines are Not very appealing.
On top of that, what would be beJ20 production rate? maybe 5 a yr.
Assuming production start J20 at 2017, it would take 5 yrs to achieve 25 of J20.
By 2025, China would have 25 of J20 and maybe 30 of J11D.
So, nothing wrong to get some Su35 ASAP to complement them.
China have serious production rate issue anyway and that's not even debatable.
Production rate is too slow. 2 yrs generated about 10 J15s and still using AL31F. Nuff said.
vesicles
Colonel
Well, I've heard of this kind of sales pitch. humiliating your potential customer is not very effective...
I have the feeling that some of our fellow members are trying to shove the Su-35 down the Chinese's throat...
It's up to the Chinese to decide whether to buy the Su-35. Either way, you should respect their wishes, not humiliating them...
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But 24 Su35s don't make a difference.
supercat
Major
How fast can Russia deliver the Su-35? Maybe 4 pieces a year? This deal just dose not make any sense, no matter how you cut it.
Your maths is not fully accurate: SAC's flanker production over the last few years has included J-15s, J-16s, as well as some possibly remaining J-11Bs.
We also know that production of J-11Bs prior to J-16 production averaged about one regiment per year, and CAC also produced some 50 J-10Bs in slightly over a year.
So when J-20 production starts, and when J-11D/J-16/J-15 production kicks into gear, I'd expect 24 per year from both CAC and SAC respectively, possibly more from SAC assuming they will seek to increase flanker production rate.
So 24 Su-35s is essentially only one year's worth of Flanker production from SAC. Useful, but not super essential in any quantitative sense.