plawolf
Lieutenant General
That is quite a claim. Got a shred of proof to back that up?
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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That is quite a claim. Got a shred of proof to back that up?
Honestly, but I think these days, when SAC is dubbed lazy or un-innovative are over ... even the latest Flanker-developments (J-11BS without a licence, J-15 & J-16 too) are great achievements even if not as spectacular like the J-20. Anyway, SAC managed to develop the J-31/FC-31 and its development work on several UAVs like the Divine Eagle, Dark Sword and Sharp Sword speak for themselves.
Deino
Deino
SinoSoldier
Colonel
To be fair, the Su-35 has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than any Chinese Flanker and TVC on top of that. Not sure about J-10B, though.
thunderchief
Senior Member
Pray tell me which Chinese plane could compete with Su-35 in aerodynamic performance ? J-11 is a Flanker with weaker engines without TWC . J-10 is delta wing configuration with single engine . J-20 is still in prototype stage, again with weaker engines . Finally, no Chinese plane ever demonstrated abilities of Su-35 in public .
This nonsense again? This is getting worse than a bad gag line in a tv show. When there are Su-35s sitting in Shenyang then I might agree that there was purchase, and even then I'd still suspect that the whole thing is another hoax.
China might as well make her own equivalents to the Su-35 engines by the time this ever happens imo
China might as well make her own equivalents to the Su-35 engines by the time this ever happens imo
plawolf
Lieutenant General
You are reversing the burden of proof here. You were the one making the claim, not I, so it is you who needs to back up your claims, not for me to counter a claim I consider to be without solid foundation in the first place.
The J11 is also lighter (how much so is hard to say since varying sources disagree, but they all agree it is considerably lighter than the Su35), with significant internal changes over the baseline Flanker design.
And this automatically makes its aerodynamic performance so much worse it cannot even compete? Says who?
Again, what do we know of the J20's aerodynamic performance, even with sub-optimal engines, to be able to tell one way or the other?
Neither have other planes, and their pilots have gone on record as stating their planes could do what the Su35 did with its display, but that they would not pull such risky manoeuvres at such low altitude just to put on a good show.
Most western combat pilots are also highly dubious of the tactical relevance of a lot of the tricks Russian Flankers are famous for performing at air shows.
Thus not being able to put on the same air show display is no indication on who will emerge victorious in a real fight.
To make an determination of aerodynamic performance in real combat scenarios, you will need very detailed and comprehensive performance figures to make comparisons, and no one but the Chinese military have those.
Hey guys ... I think we all should calm down and first of all wait for confirmation even if I agree, that this time it seems much more reliable than all previous reports.
As such all our personnel feelings - be that "Russian-fan-boy like: hey You get out best fighter, so Your J-11s must be worse !! - or PLAAF-na-boy like: they are stupid, the PLAAF has the J-11D, so all is wrong - should be out aside.
If the PLAAF will get the Su-35, so take it what it is: A win_win-situatioin for both !!
The PLAAF will get a new fighter, that brings new capabilities, an inseight into the nearyl latest Russian avionics and propulsion systems, the opportunity to explore TVC for the first time ans as such to develop tactics to use or avoid them ... and maybe also access to the 117S engine to power the the J-20. Weren't there reports abaout a mayor engine -surprise on '2017' ???
And Russia receives finalyly an export customer for its Su-35, much public attention and by the way .. that all for only 2 billion $ !
As such all our personnel feelings - be that "Russian-fan-boy like: hey You get out best fighter, so Your J-11s must be worse !! - or PLAAF-na-boy like: they are stupid, the PLAAF has the J-11D, so all is wrong - should be out aside.
If the PLAAF will get the Su-35, so take it what it is: A win_win-situatioin for both !!
The PLAAF will get a new fighter, that brings new capabilities, an inseight into the nearyl latest Russian avionics and propulsion systems, the opportunity to explore TVC for the first time ans as such to develop tactics to use or avoid them ... and maybe also access to the 117S engine to power the the J-20. Weren't there reports abaout a mayor engine -surprise on '2017' ???
And Russia receives finalyly an export customer for its Su-35, much public attention and by the way .. that all for only 2 billion $ !
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Likely not.
Why not ?? The Su-35 is surely not worse than the J-11B. If the J-11D and J-16 will match the Su-35 in terms of avionics, weapons, maneuverability is still not clear and esp. the TVC is a new capability woth to explore.
If only 24 aircraft in the big-picture are a dramatic change and plus of new capabilities is indeed questionable. For me it generally is most of all a political deal and as such only a small part of a much larger scale of the Sino-Russian strategic relations.
Deino