Chinese OS and software ecosystem
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As if someone is going to verify it. Like that recent supply chain attack with XZ utils and it was discovered by accident.
That's why they say "scratch a liberal(western right or left wing) and a racist fascist bleeds".
Its just the flavour of racism that changes per liberal.
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That incident sounds like a false-flag to me.
Might be, but no one saw this backdoor coming with the code being in the open.
There's a reason people say lgtm "Looks good to me" when doing code reviews.
But i don't think software can be save/secure given the hardware is already compromised. You can't really build a stable and secure house(operating system) on a unstable and shaky foundation(the hardware).
This is a clumsy move that shows that behind every "apolitical" standard, so long as it is based in the West, is some narcissistic chauvinist Westerner who dreams of a "I'm doing my part" moment in service of the West's geopolitical aims. Many Chinese liberals exist in a state of perpetual eagerness to prove their status as "global citizens" and show how they can completely distance themselves from their Chinese heritage, let alone their government, if only they were allowed to pretend. The same applies to those Russian and Iranian liberals.
Meanwhile, all these moments since 2022 have been revealing the unconditional readiness within the West itself by those seeking validation for their roles to shed any "apolitical" pretences and hitch whatever projects they control towards Western objectives and to exploit any personal influence they have as instruments serving the West. All this is showing is that any international collaborative project, no matter if even 99% of the active work in building it is hypothetically contributed by those outside the West, is ultimately meaningless so long as Westerners hold the keys. Bit of an allegory for this forum itself, really.
To be honest, the narcissism of naming an "open source" project by its creator after himself always struck me as rather telling. However, the way they've handled this situation is just clumsy. Using overtly chauvinistic justifications to exclude individuals based on nationality—specifically by citing unilateral, non-UN Western sanctions—is an approach that only a Reddit bubble techbro would adopt. They could have opted for a more subtle strategy, fabricating allegations that contributors were "Wagner terrorist affiliated" or similar nonsense that would have made this easier for apologists to excuse and justify.
By making such a blatant move in lockstep with serving Western geopolitical interests, coupled with their chauvinistic "clarification" post, it reveals the irrationality of the leadership behind this project. It leaves no room for arguments what the intention is, removing any potential for damage control. The chauvinist might be underestimating that a move like this, which they thought they could sweep under the rug, is the most consequential moment in the entire history of the project. The inevitable threat against Chinese reliance of Linux is plainly obvious as restriction of non-Western audit and maintenance of the "open source" kernel will mean whatever backdoors and security vulnerabilities can be introduced by the West against downstream distros. This is also essentially a voluntary demonstrator of what the US Congress have been pushing to do with other Western-based projects like RISC-V.
The timing is exceptionally bungled given the recent HarmonyOS rollout and this should provide much more support for HMOS. However, the HMOS microkernel architecture might need to be expanded to serve more monolithic functionality in order to become a proper Linux replacement.
Meanwhile, all these moments since 2022 have been revealing the unconditional readiness within the West itself by those seeking validation for their roles to shed any "apolitical" pretences and hitch whatever projects they control towards Western objectives and to exploit any personal influence they have as instruments serving the West. All this is showing is that any international collaborative project, no matter if even 99% of the active work in building it is hypothetically contributed by those outside the West, is ultimately meaningless so long as Westerners hold the keys. Bit of an allegory for this forum itself, really.
To be honest, the narcissism of naming an "open source" project by its creator after himself always struck me as rather telling. However, the way they've handled this situation is just clumsy. Using overtly chauvinistic justifications to exclude individuals based on nationality—specifically by citing unilateral, non-UN Western sanctions—is an approach that only a Reddit bubble techbro would adopt. They could have opted for a more subtle strategy, fabricating allegations that contributors were "Wagner terrorist affiliated" or similar nonsense that would have made this easier for apologists to excuse and justify.
By making such a blatant move in lockstep with serving Western geopolitical interests, coupled with their chauvinistic "clarification" post, it reveals the irrationality of the leadership behind this project. It leaves no room for arguments what the intention is, removing any potential for damage control. The chauvinist might be underestimating that a move like this, which they thought they could sweep under the rug, is the most consequential moment in the entire history of the project. The inevitable threat against Chinese reliance of Linux is plainly obvious as restriction of non-Western audit and maintenance of the "open source" kernel will mean whatever backdoors and security vulnerabilities can be introduced by the West against downstream distros. This is also essentially a voluntary demonstrator of what the US Congress have been pushing to do with other Western-based projects like RISC-V.
The timing is exceptionally bungled given the recent HarmonyOS rollout and this should provide much more support for HMOS. However, the HMOS microkernel architecture might need to be expanded to serve more monolithic functionality in order to become a proper Linux replacement.
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The open source project is OpenHarmony (which is the upstream) and has similar relationship to how Google Android has with AOSP.
HarmonyOS 3 and 4 were based on OpenHarmony 3.2
HarmonyOS NEXT is based on OpenHarmony 5
The US has already shown it has a follow up punch vs Chinese open source, which is to sanction or block companies that use any Chinese technology in their products. They can’t prevent people from contributing to or using Chinese open source software, but they can target the commercial end products and in doing so threaten companies off of Chinese open source.
The real challenges with developing a separate software ecosystem are market access & supply chain independence. To be free of every Western software technology is extremely difficult so American sanctions do have teeth. Not being able to access Western markets + those of its allies is also a major problem as they continue to control 50+% of global capital flow.
The real challenges with developing a separate software ecosystem are market access & supply chain independence. To be free of every Western software technology is extremely difficult so American sanctions do have teeth. Not being able to access Western markets + those of its allies is also a major problem as they continue to control 50+% of global capital flow.
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Well everything get do start somewhere. Sure the US can try but if you look at electric cars, they can only ban cars from going into the US. They haven't threatened to sanction everyone from working with BYD.
If china had good open source, other countries will use it, and if it gets better, then it can wrestle dominance away from noon west countries first.
Otherwise how would you suggest china handle it? Give into US demand due to fear of additional sanctions?
This reaction will seriously backfire on them. The Chinese market is larger than the US one.
The damages to Chinese companies will be more than compensated by sales in China proper after the Western software companies leave.